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Jesus fucking Christ, Cory, this is patently ridiculous.

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  • artemis@dice.campA artemis@dice.camp

    It would be one thing if he engaged with her point & tried to articulate a rebuttal/alternative. I probably still wouldn't like or agree with the rebuttal, but it would show a modicum of respect & a desire to understand & engage.

    The only reason he mentions Lorde is to be able to use his cutesy metaphor (& perhaps to preempt anyone who would bring up Lorde to disagree with his point).

    It's fucking patronizing.

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    @artemis "well *I* could use the master's tools" yeah that's because you're a white guy and you only want to partially dismantle it

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    • artemis@dice.campA artemis@dice.camp

      Jesus fucking Christ, Cory, this is patently ridiculous.

      He doesn't engage with Audre Lorde's actual intention & meaning. No, he brings up a Black woman thinker/writer/activist, assures us he knows how "smart" she was, & then dismisses her words out of hand without even superficial engagement by using a cute little analogy.

      I'm not trying to nitpick: that is some real colonizer bullshit.

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      @artemis WHITE MAN ALERT

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      • artemis@dice.campA artemis@dice.camp

        It would be one thing if he engaged with her point & tried to articulate a rebuttal/alternative. I probably still wouldn't like or agree with the rebuttal, but it would show a modicum of respect & a desire to understand & engage.

        The only reason he mentions Lorde is to be able to use his cutesy metaphor (& perhaps to preempt anyone who would bring up Lorde to disagree with his point).

        It's fucking patronizing.

        sayonaraminasan@urusai.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
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        @artemis out of the loop but isnt this in reference to AI? Is this guy Doctorow defending AI?

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        • artemis@dice.campA artemis@dice.camp

          It would be one thing if he engaged with her point & tried to articulate a rebuttal/alternative. I probably still wouldn't like or agree with the rebuttal, but it would show a modicum of respect & a desire to understand & engage.

          The only reason he mentions Lorde is to be able to use his cutesy metaphor (& perhaps to preempt anyone who would bring up Lorde to disagree with his point).

          It's fucking patronizing.

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          This is the real shit that makes Doctorow not worth it to me.

          I actually do have a fair amount of tolerance for "liberal" perspectives put forward in good faith IF the fucking person can manage not to be arrogantly ignorant. If someone just hasn't gotten to the point of dismantling their assumptions about certain things yet, that is one thing.

          But this is not good faith.

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          • artemis@dice.campA artemis@dice.camp

            This is the real shit that makes Doctorow not worth it to me.

            I actually do have a fair amount of tolerance for "liberal" perspectives put forward in good faith IF the fucking person can manage not to be arrogantly ignorant. If someone just hasn't gotten to the point of dismantling their assumptions about certain things yet, that is one thing.

            But this is not good faith.

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            Doctorow is not one of those people who haven't had time to engage with more challenging ideas, nor does he have an excuse in the Year two thousand twenty & six for so flippantly dismissing a Black woman's perspective—a Black woman who lived under segregation for a good portion of her life—on how oppressed peoples can free themselves from oppression, not just physically but holistically rejecting the white supremacist kyriarchy in every way it manifests.

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            • mynameistillian@plush.cityM mynameistillian@plush.city

              @artemis WHITE MAN ALERT

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              @artemis did he even understand what she said. what she said is tied closely to race and various other marginalizations. jesus christ cory, this isn't it

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              • sayonaraminasan@urusai.socialS sayonaraminasan@urusai.social

                @artemis out of the loop but isnt this in reference to AI? Is this guy Doctorow defending AI?

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                @sayonaraminasan
                Same guy, really got people pissed off a week or so ago with a pretty shit AI take, but this is a different topic. In this post (which I will link if requested, but I'm not driving traffic to it) he largely defends Bluesky.

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                • artemis@dice.campA artemis@dice.camp

                  Jesus fucking Christ, Cory, this is patently ridiculous.

                  He doesn't engage with Audre Lorde's actual intention & meaning. No, he brings up a Black woman thinker/writer/activist, assures us he knows how "smart" she was, & then dismisses her words out of hand without even superficial engagement by using a cute little analogy.

                  I'm not trying to nitpick: that is some real colonizer bullshit.

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                  @artemis audre lorde: "racism will never dismantle male supremacy"

                  some white dude: "ah but what if"

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                  • artemis@dice.campA artemis@dice.camp

                    Jesus fucking Christ, Cory, this is patently ridiculous.

                    He doesn't engage with Audre Lorde's actual intention & meaning. No, he brings up a Black woman thinker/writer/activist, assures us he knows how "smart" she was, & then dismisses her words out of hand without even superficial engagement by using a cute little analogy.

                    I'm not trying to nitpick: that is some real colonizer bullshit.

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                    @artemis yikes, that's disappointing.

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                    • theynege@beige.partyT theynege@beige.party

                      @artemis "well *I* could use the master's tools" yeah that's because you're a white guy and you only want to partially dismantle it

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                      @theynege
                      ☝️

                      This is it.

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                      • artemis@dice.campA artemis@dice.camp

                        @sayonaraminasan
                        Same guy, really got people pissed off a week or so ago with a pretty shit AI take, but this is a different topic. In this post (which I will link if requested, but I'm not driving traffic to it) he largely defends Bluesky.

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                        @artemis lol no need. Seems like this guy is on a streak of bad takes lately. Don’t know much about him other than he gave us the term enshitification which may be the most useful thing he ever does if he keeps this up.

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                        • theynege@beige.partyT theynege@beige.party

                          @artemis "well *I* could use the master's tools" yeah that's because you're a white guy and you only want to partially dismantle it

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                          💯

                          @theynege @artemis

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                          • artemis@dice.campA artemis@dice.camp

                            Jesus fucking Christ, Cory, this is patently ridiculous.

                            He doesn't engage with Audre Lorde's actual intention & meaning. No, he brings up a Black woman thinker/writer/activist, assures us he knows how "smart" she was, & then dismisses her words out of hand without even superficial engagement by using a cute little analogy.

                            I'm not trying to nitpick: that is some real colonizer bullshit.

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                            He lost me when he wouldn't acknowledge that his
                            use of LLM is problematic.


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                            • sayonaraminasan@urusai.socialS sayonaraminasan@urusai.social

                              @artemis lol no need. Seems like this guy is on a streak of bad takes lately. Don’t know much about him other than he gave us the term enshitification which may be the most useful thing he ever does if he keeps this up.

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                              @sayonaraminasan @artemis

                              is it, though?

                              all 'enshittification' actually is is a white person thinking he's clever for describing the race to the bottom that is a cornerstone of capitalism. we didn't need a word for that.

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                              • artemis@dice.campA artemis@dice.camp

                                Doctorow is not one of those people who haven't had time to engage with more challenging ideas, nor does he have an excuse in the Year two thousand twenty & six for so flippantly dismissing a Black woman's perspective—a Black woman who lived under segregation for a good portion of her life—on how oppressed peoples can free themselves from oppression, not just physically but holistically rejecting the white supremacist kyriarchy in every way it manifests.

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                                Oh, I guess the post is from 2025, not 2026, so that's much better, obviously. I'm sure he's learned a lot since then.

                                /s

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                                • artemis@dice.campA artemis@dice.camp

                                  Doctorow is not one of those people who haven't had time to engage with more challenging ideas, nor does he have an excuse in the Year two thousand twenty & six for so flippantly dismissing a Black woman's perspective—a Black woman who lived under segregation for a good portion of her life—on how oppressed peoples can free themselves from oppression, not just physically but holistically rejecting the white supremacist kyriarchy in every way it manifests.

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                                  @artemis

                                  I guess "thoughtless" is the new look for influencers who are self-destructing

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                                  • artemis@dice.campA artemis@dice.camp

                                    Jesus fucking Christ, Cory, this is patently ridiculous.

                                    He doesn't engage with Audre Lorde's actual intention & meaning. No, he brings up a Black woman thinker/writer/activist, assures us he knows how "smart" she was, & then dismisses her words out of hand without even superficial engagement by using a cute little analogy.

                                    I'm not trying to nitpick: that is some real colonizer bullshit.

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                                    @artemis@dice.camp Like Cory, in my edgy 20's I made a similar - though much deeper - counter argument of Lorde's assertion. Then I thought deeper and performed more self and systemic reflection and corrected myself. The problem with Cory's statement is that he flippantly doesn't understand the breadth of what the Master's Tools are (eg. capitalism, racism, sexism, etc) and thus second order tools (eg. AI, corporate operations, liberal regulatory frameworks) which all rest well within the Toolbox. It's simply a bad, dumb take which is suited to a liberal mind that believes they both understand and can fix the systemic problems of our culture, while maintaining their own power and influence.

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                                    • theynege@beige.partyT theynege@beige.party

                                      @artemis "well *I* could use the master's tools" yeah that's because you're a white guy and you only want to partially dismantle it

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                                      @theynege @artemis

                                      You can't use the master's tools because either he gave them to you or he used them to oppress and enslave you, and either way they are ineffective or they are immoral.

                                      The statement is intended to make you think critically about power itself. In that way it's fundamentally anarchist in nature.

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                                      • vulpineamethyst@social.treehouse.systemsV vulpineamethyst@social.treehouse.systems

                                        @sayonaraminasan @artemis

                                        is it, though?

                                        all 'enshittification' actually is is a white person thinking he's clever for describing the race to the bottom that is a cornerstone of capitalism. we didn't need a word for that.

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                                        @VulpineAmethyst Hahaha fair point. We all did feel that was what was happening before he coined that term.

                                        @artemis

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                                        • mynameistillian@plush.cityM mynameistillian@plush.city

                                          @artemis did he even understand what she said. what she said is tied closely to race and various other marginalizations. jesus christ cory, this isn't it

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                                          @mynameistillian @artemis he did not, in fact, understand a single word she wrote.

                                          I'm sure he was very impressed that he read Lorde, and will have been told how impressed other people around him are.

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