Trump has already put 26 percent tariffs on European steel and aluminum, and he is now adding a 25 percent tariff on European cars and car parts.
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@etchedpixels @randahl I am not only thinking about govement, I am thinking about public and private companies and private consumers.
If your Netflix, disney+ etc subscription was added tarrif by 25 % 1 some consumers will cancel their subscription 2. The eu would have money to but into the european IT sector for development.
And yeah any american company should be excluded, to government contracts -
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Trump has already put 26 percent tariffs on European steel and aluminum, and he is now adding a 25 percent tariff on European cars and car parts.
I believe, this will continue until Canada, the UK, and the EU introduces a musketeer oath (one for all), so when Trump hits one of us with tariffs, we all hit back with the exact same tariffs.
If Trump knew, that his 25 percent car tariffs would immediately result in the same tariffs on US car exports to Canada, UK, and EU, he would not even try.
@randahl Canada's economy is too intertwined--especially for the auto sector to mess with this without any contingency plans (unlike Tr*mp, who doesn't know what contingency means).
Growing up and until I moved away, I would have been able to tell you who the auto union leader's name was, he was that important to the Canadian economy.
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@Inidox Ha! We could make it a requirement to join that Big Tech will be transferred into Public Domain and 90% of their revenue will be fed into an Open Source Fund to pay all those programmers and engineers in the EU!
How about that?
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Trump has already put 26 percent tariffs on European steel and aluminum, and he is now adding a 25 percent tariff on European cars and car parts.
I believe, this will continue until Canada, the UK, and the EU introduces a musketeer oath (one for all), so when Trump hits one of us with tariffs, we all hit back with the exact same tariffs.
If Trump knew, that his 25 percent car tariffs would immediately result in the same tariffs on US car exports to Canada, UK, and EU, he would not even try.
@randahl
Yes, he would. Because he believes that he has the ultimate leverage and believes he is in the power position when it comes to all matters of negotiation. -
Trump has already put 26 percent tariffs on European steel and aluminum, and he is now adding a 25 percent tariff on European cars and car parts.
I believe, this will continue until Canada, the UK, and the EU introduces a musketeer oath (one for all), so when Trump hits one of us with tariffs, we all hit back with the exact same tariffs.
If Trump knew, that his 25 percent car tariffs would immediately result in the same tariffs on US car exports to Canada, UK, and EU, he would not even try.
@randahl as far as US car exports to the EU and the UK, they are so minimal that it will make next to no difference in sales. Tesla is the biggest player and has only about 2% of the overall market. Ford and Stellantis products sold in Europe are almost exclusively manufactured in Europe. GM gave up on Europe a long time ago selling Opel/Vauxhall to Stellantis and anything else they might sell is so niche as to not count.
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@etchedpixels @Crisper @randahl Make it a requirement for any public tender to explicitly refuse any foreign request for govt data. Written black on white. Your entire board signs it or you cannot apply for public tenders. You don't comply and you're sanctioned for decades to come.
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Trump has already put 26 percent tariffs on European steel and aluminum, and he is now adding a 25 percent tariff on European cars and car parts.
I believe, this will continue until Canada, the UK, and the EU introduces a musketeer oath (one for all), so when Trump hits one of us with tariffs, we all hit back with the exact same tariffs.
If Trump knew, that his 25 percent car tariffs would immediately result in the same tariffs on US car exports to Canada, UK, and EU, he would not even try.
Canada did have tit-for-tat tariffs. We were the first to be targeted economically and one of the first to have our sovereignty challenged. We immediately responded by retaliating and by seeking diplomatic support from our European allies.
In February 2025 then-Foreign Affairs Minister Mélanie Joly went on a tour through Europe to that end. Here is an excerpt from an interview with the CBC following that tour:Journalist:
A couple weeks later, Starmer infamously dismissed us when pressed by a journalist from the Independent about the matter during a meeting with Trump.
Can you talk about why Canada's international allies have not been speaking up to oppose the U.S.' 51st state talk? If you asked them to speak up publicly or if you had or if you got an explanation from any of them about why they're radio silent?
Joly:
Based on my conversations with many European colleagues, many of them are not necessarily completely aware of what is going on, first in the U.S. and second in Canada. Every country in the world is looking at its own reality. And Europe has its own challenges. But I think we have had very productive meetings over the past week. It was necessary for me to be in Europe to tell them exactly what's going on, to make sure that we would co-ordinate on any form of response to tariffs, and that we would be together defending our national security and sovereignty.
Another month later was Trump's so-called Liberation Day. Despite what Mélanie Joly said about co-ordinating a response, other countries all folded like wet paper and sought to strike deals that would net them reduced tariff rates, typically in exchange for investing billions of dollars in the U.S.
In fact, the only other country to meaningfully retaliate was China.
We dropped most of our tariffs when it became clear that we were standing alone. The reasoning, it went, was that the resulting damage to our own economy would make it more difficult to build up our sovereign industrial capacity and diversify trade away from the U.S. Nation building is our only viable strategy in the absence of a united front.
It wasn't until almost a year later, in January 2026, after the abduction of Nicolás Maduro from Venezuela lent credibility to the renewed threat of the U.S. seizing Greenland by military force that we started to see some actual coordination.
This is all to say that, yes, we should do that. We should have done it a year ago.
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Trump has already put 26 percent tariffs on European steel and aluminum, and he is now adding a 25 percent tariff on European cars and car parts.
I believe, this will continue until Canada, the UK, and the EU introduces a musketeer oath (one for all), so when Trump hits one of us with tariffs, we all hit back with the exact same tariffs.
If Trump knew, that his 25 percent car tariffs would immediately result in the same tariffs on US car exports to Canada, UK, and EU, he would not even try.
Canada did have tit-for-tat tariffs. We were the first to be targeted economically and one of the first to have our sovereignty challenged. We immediately responded by retaliating and by seeking diplomatic support from our European allies.
In February 2025 then-Foreign Affairs Minister Mélanie Joly went on a tour through Europe to that end. Here is an excerpt from an interview with the CBC following that tour:Journalist:
A couple weeks later, Starmer infamously dismissed us when pressed by a journalist from the Independent about the matter during a meeting with Trump.
Can you talk about why Canada's international allies have not been speaking up to oppose the U.S.' 51st state talk? If you asked them to speak up publicly or if you had or if you got an explanation from any of them about why they're radio silent?
Joly:
Based on my conversations with many European colleagues, many of them are not necessarily completely aware of what is going on, first in the U.S. and second in Canada. Every country in the world is looking at its own reality. And Europe has its own challenges. But I think we have had very productive meetings over the past week. It was necessary for me to be in Europe to tell them exactly what's going on, to make sure that we would co-ordinate on any form of response to tariffs, and that we would be together defending our national security and sovereignty.
Another month later was Trump's so-called Liberation Day. Despite what Mélanie Joly said about co-ordinating a response, other countries all folded like wet paper and sought to strike deals that would net them reduced tariff rates, typically in exchange for investing billions of dollars in the U.S.
In fact, the only other country to meaningfully retaliate was China.
We dropped most of our tariffs when it became clear that we were standing alone. The reasoning, it went, was that the resulting damage to our own economy would make it more difficult to build up our sovereign industrial capacity and diversify trade away from the U.S. Nation building is our only viable strategy in the absence of a united front.
It wasn't until almost a year later, in January 2026, after the abduction of Nicolás Maduro from Venezuela lent credibility to the renewed threat of the U.S. seizing Greenland by military force that we started to see some actual coordination.
This is all to say that, yes, we should do that. We should have done it a year ago.
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Trump has already put 26 percent tariffs on European steel and aluminum, and he is now adding a 25 percent tariff on European cars and car parts.
I believe, this will continue until Canada, the UK, and the EU introduces a musketeer oath (one for all), so when Trump hits one of us with tariffs, we all hit back with the exact same tariffs.
If Trump knew, that his 25 percent car tariffs would immediately result in the same tariffs on US car exports to Canada, UK, and EU, he would not even try.
Canada did have tit-for-tat tariffs. We were the first to be targeted economically and one of the first to have our sovereignty challenged. We immediately responded by retaliating and by seeking diplomatic support from our European allies.
In February 2025 then-Foreign Affairs Minister Mélanie Joly went on a tour through Europe to that end. Here is an excerpt from an interview with the CBC following that tour:Journalist:
A couple weeks later, Starmer infamously dismissed us when pressed by a journalist from the Independent about the matter during a meeting with Trump.
Can you talk about why Canada's international allies have not been speaking up to oppose the U.S.' 51st state talk? If you asked them to speak up publicly or if you had or if you got an explanation from any of them about why they're radio silent?
Joly:
Based on my conversations with many European colleagues, many of them are not necessarily completely aware of what is going on, first in the U.S. and second in Canada. Every country in the world is looking at its own reality. And Europe has its own challenges. But I think we have had very productive meetings over the past week. It was necessary for me to be in Europe to tell them exactly what's going on, to make sure that we would co-ordinate on any form of response to tariffs, and that we would be together defending our national security and sovereignty.
Another month later was Trump's so-called Liberation Day. Despite what Mélanie Joly said about co-ordinating a response, other countries all folded like wet paper and sought to strike deals that would net them reduced tariff rates, typically in exchange for investing billions of dollars in the U.S.
In fact, the only other country to meaningfully retaliate was China.
We dropped most of our tariffs when it became clear that we were standing alone. The reasoning, it went, was that the resulting damage to our own economy would make it more difficult to build up our sovereign industrial capacity and diversify trade away from the U.S. Nation building is our only viable strategy in the absence of a united front.
It wasn't until almost a year later, in January 2026, after the abduction of Nicolás Maduro from Venezuela lent credibility to the renewed threat of the U.S. seizing Greenland by military force that we started to see some actual coordination.
This is all to say that, yes, we should do that. We should have done it a year ago.
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Trump has already put 26 percent tariffs on European steel and aluminum, and he is now adding a 25 percent tariff on European cars and car parts.
I believe, this will continue until Canada, the UK, and the EU introduces a musketeer oath (one for all), so when Trump hits one of us with tariffs, we all hit back with the exact same tariffs.
If Trump knew, that his 25 percent car tariffs would immediately result in the same tariffs on US car exports to Canada, UK, and EU, he would not even try.
Meanwhile, China's zero-tariff policy covers nearly every single country on the continent of Africa.
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@marjolica @martinvermeer @Inidox @ij @randahl Some EU nations issue blue passports. The passport cover design is entirely up to the issuing nation. (The "we can have blue passports again after Brexit!!!" stuff was bullshit from start to finish.)
@cstross @marjolica @martinvermeer @Inidox @ij @randahl
The ICAO sets the rules for passports. You can make them any colour you want, as long as it's photostable for ten years, i.e. a dark colour. So dark blue, green or red are the obvious choices or black.
Most but not all EU countries use the dark red/burgundy colour but there isn't any rule saying you have to.
The so-called blue passport for the UK is virtually black as was the one before the modern soft one was adopted.
Yes, sometimes it can be smarter to not get too close ties to others.
