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The best advice I have for new nerds: Refuse to pay rent.

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  • ktneely@infosec.exchangeK ktneely@infosec.exchange

    @the_moep @trevorflowers there's nothing your Spotify landlord can do about you buying music and cancelling your subscription except cry over the lost revenue.

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    @ktneely I don't have (and never had) spotify. Bandcamp is bae ❤

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    • ben@mastodon.lubar.meB ben@mastodon.lubar.me

      @trevorflowers the only "rent" I pay is to my ISP (monthly) and IANA (yearly)

      good advice

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      @ben @trevorflowers I don’t consider paying for a genuine *service* to be rent. It’s only rent when there’s not really a good reason for it to be a service.

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      • calcifer@masto.hackers.townC calcifer@masto.hackers.town

        @ben @trevorflowers I don’t consider paying for a genuine *service* to be rent. It’s only rent when there’s not really a good reason for it to be a service.

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        @calcifer @ben @trevorflowers Agree with this take. Obviously a lot of SaaS is bad (Adobe for example), but I seriously doubt something like a VPN falls under this.

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        • trevorflowers@hachyderm.ioT trevorflowers@hachyderm.io

          The best advice I have for new nerds: Refuse to pay rent.

          Don't subscribe. Don't lease. Don't use their cloud. Don't slip down the freemium slope. Don't create accounts on their services.

          Buy it once. Run it local. Avoid commercial software.

          It'll be a huge pain and you'll be an outsider but it'll be endless, interesting, and hard fun that'll pay you back with a curious mind and an understanding of the fabric of our intellectual infrastructure that will make you light-years more capable, useful, and healthy than the "AI" zombies.

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          @trevorflowers I hope that nerds make things /easier to run/ locally.

          So many things seem "fine" for a sysadmin who likes the hobby of undocumented software constantly breaking or not being configured securely out of the gate.

          a dentist in a rural town does not have time to set this stuff up. it needs to be simpler, safer, and quicker than the /commercial competition/, because time is money

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          • kel@mastodon.onlineK kel@mastodon.online

            @miss_rodent @trevorflowers

            Same here! Probably longer 🫣

            I shared this photo the other day, it's not everything, far from it, eg. still have all my vinyl from the 80s and a record deck, but it is the result of ditching the iPhone hardware subscription almost 12 months now!

            I already had most of this stuff, the Punkt was a gift, I recently repaired the iRiver, and the X4 is the only new (and very awesome) purchase.

            The relief is astonishing! I am never going back to smart phones - nope!

            ❤️

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            @kel @miss_rodent @trevorflowers well hello, fellow iRiver H120 owner! I see you also installed Rockbox.

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            • R risottobias@toot.risottobias.org

              @trevorflowers I hope that nerds make things /easier to run/ locally.

              So many things seem "fine" for a sysadmin who likes the hobby of undocumented software constantly breaking or not being configured securely out of the gate.

              a dentist in a rural town does not have time to set this stuff up. it needs to be simpler, safer, and quicker than the /commercial competition/, because time is money

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              @risottobias I think that's why he said it was advice for nerds.

              But there needs to be an addendum. PAY RENT ANYWAY, just not to the corporations who want to own everything you do. Pay it to FOSS non-profits, pay the admins for their server costs, support the people who make it all possible however you can.

              @trevorflowers

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              • sysop408@sfba.socialS sysop408@sfba.social

                @risottobias I think that's why he said it was advice for nerds.

                But there needs to be an addendum. PAY RENT ANYWAY, just not to the corporations who want to own everything you do. Pay it to FOSS non-profits, pay the admins for their server costs, support the people who make it all possible however you can.

                @trevorflowers

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                @sysop408 @risottobias @trevorflowers so... is this exclusively aimed at computer nerds?

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                • octaviaconamore@cutie.cityO octaviaconamore@cutie.city

                  @sysop408 @risottobias @trevorflowers so... is this exclusively aimed at computer nerds?

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                  @OctaviaConAmore well, it looks like "new nerds" as Trevor put it.

                  I think I get what he's saying but people might be getting hung up on the word "rent" and its triggering people to think he means it purely in a monetary way.

                  @risottobias @trevorflowers

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                  • octaviaconamore@cutie.cityO octaviaconamore@cutie.city

                    @sysop408 @risottobias @trevorflowers so... is this exclusively aimed at computer nerds?

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                    @OctaviaConAmore @sysop408 @risottobias @trevorflowers

                    Given the term "new nerds", my assumption is that it's for people who are aspiring to be nerds/more-techy but with the ultra-convenience of apps and cloud-based platforms, might not realise that self-hosting can be a very good option for picking up nerdtech skills (quickly)

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                    • trevorflowers@hachyderm.ioT trevorflowers@hachyderm.io

                      The best advice I have for new nerds: Refuse to pay rent.

                      Don't subscribe. Don't lease. Don't use their cloud. Don't slip down the freemium slope. Don't create accounts on their services.

                      Buy it once. Run it local. Avoid commercial software.

                      It'll be a huge pain and you'll be an outsider but it'll be endless, interesting, and hard fun that'll pay you back with a curious mind and an understanding of the fabric of our intellectual infrastructure that will make you light-years more capable, useful, and healthy than the "AI" zombies.

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                      @trevorflowers sarcastically, it does make sense — as if your toilet will move to another part of the house once in a while, also kitchen leaving service and stays with us till the next week… — not like if we told the apartment is yours as long as you pay, but like something that resembles the apartment you have applied once long time ago, contract changed unilaterally, you know.

                      You can accept or move out.

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