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  • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

    About trans rights:

    They're a wedge issue. If you think it's okay to deprive trans people of the right to exist in the public sphere then you're saying human rights are conditional and/or can be withdrawn. Which puts you on a slippery slope to no human rights for anyone.

    When you trace the roots of the modern anti-trans movement they boil down to some combination of bigotry and billionaire bullshit— the oligarchs think rights are for the rich.

    So: trans-rights are human rights. No exceptions.

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    skedarwarrior@techhub.social
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    @cstross I will admit, I find some of this stuff to be unsettling, but I also think that I have no right to control such things nor does anyone else.

    If people want to be trans for example, that isn't my right to control.

    No one should get in the way of this.

    Not only does it serve nothing worthwhile but humans should be able to decide what they want to be.

    And for those conservative nutcases, they should be aware that some people will stick to their beliefs no matter what.

    They should know about this given their delusional beliefs of supporting a tyrant and denying reality so much.

    Trying to stop people from being who they want to be permanently especially is like trying to make water not wet.

    it just aint going to happen.

    Btw, I fully expect some people from different beliefs to find my various beliefs strange.

    i also heard it said that 20% of people will always be at odds with you.
    So there's that.

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    • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

      About trans rights:

      They're a wedge issue. If you think it's okay to deprive trans people of the right to exist in the public sphere then you're saying human rights are conditional and/or can be withdrawn. Which puts you on a slippery slope to no human rights for anyone.

      When you trace the roots of the modern anti-trans movement they boil down to some combination of bigotry and billionaire bullshit— the oligarchs think rights are for the rich.

      So: trans-rights are human rights. No exceptions.

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      @cstross Would it be okay to link to this from BlueSky?
      It's an important issue but certainly not my place to post the link elsewhere.

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      • staringatclouds@mstdn.socialS staringatclouds@mstdn.social

        @Photo55 @Legit_Spaghetti @cstross Because men don't like being beaten by women

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        legit_spaghetti@mastodo.neoliber.al
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        @staringatclouds @Photo55 @cstross No joke, that's exactly why. For example, the only reason there's a separate women's league in chess is because male grandmasters didn't like how they kept getting defeated by women.

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        • sabik@rants.auS This user is from outside of this forum
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          @lightuplilly @normjess @cstross
          That's like saying there are 3 states of matter: solid, liquid and gas

          In reality, there are dozens, and they just discovered a new one about a decade back

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          • sabik@rants.auS sabik@rants.au

            @lightuplilly @normjess @cstross
            That's like saying there are 3 states of matter: solid, liquid and gas

            In reality, there are dozens, and they just discovered a new one about a decade back

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            @sabik @lightuplilly @normjess @cstross there is only hydrogen, helium and delusional deviant elements

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            • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

              About trans rights:

              They're a wedge issue. If you think it's okay to deprive trans people of the right to exist in the public sphere then you're saying human rights are conditional and/or can be withdrawn. Which puts you on a slippery slope to no human rights for anyone.

              When you trace the roots of the modern anti-trans movement they boil down to some combination of bigotry and billionaire bullshit— the oligarchs think rights are for the rich.

              So: trans-rights are human rights. No exceptions.

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              adm2048@mastodon.social
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              @cstross And what is the root of gender identity? I recommend you to see this episode (turn on english subtitle): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfxW_0aIL80

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                @lightuplilly @cstross people should just be *allowed* to exist and be whatever they are? I think not. that sounds too much like freedom and we can’t have that in america

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                • A adm2048@mastodon.social

                  @cstross And what is the root of gender identity? I recommend you to see this episode (turn on english subtitle): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfxW_0aIL80

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                  decay@gts.todayiwilllaunchmyinfantsonintoorbit.com
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                  @adm2048 @cstross eat shit and die, bigot

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                  • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                    About trans rights:

                    They're a wedge issue. If you think it's okay to deprive trans people of the right to exist in the public sphere then you're saying human rights are conditional and/or can be withdrawn. Which puts you on a slippery slope to no human rights for anyone.

                    When you trace the roots of the modern anti-trans movement they boil down to some combination of bigotry and billionaire bullshit— the oligarchs think rights are for the rich.

                    So: trans-rights are human rights. No exceptions.

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                    davidm_yeg@beige.party
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                    @cstross

                    Human rights must be unconditional, inalienable, universal.

                    Otherwise they simply become privileges: reserved for the select few, revokable things to be earned …

                    … which describes Western supremacist culture quite well actually. 😞

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                    • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                      @smattymatty Agreed, but also it's a manufactured wedge issue designed to ease the trans-ignorant into taking a series of that will lead them into a reprehensible position that they would mostly direct if they were confronted with it cold.

                      "Hi! We are your leaders and we want the right to dehumanize you and strip you of your rights at will!"—who'd say yes to THAT? Much easier to start by targeting a small minority nobody knows. Could have been left-handers or germophobes: but they picked trans.

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                      @cstross @smattymatty This is the tactic exactly. Pick a tiny group that's no threat to your fascistic movement but that a lot of people fear and hate so that you're entirely safe *and* you can terrify your bigot followers. This is why Nazis targeted Jews.

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                      • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                        About trans rights:

                        They're a wedge issue. If you think it's okay to deprive trans people of the right to exist in the public sphere then you're saying human rights are conditional and/or can be withdrawn. Which puts you on a slippery slope to no human rights for anyone.

                        When you trace the roots of the modern anti-trans movement they boil down to some combination of bigotry and billionaire bullshit— the oligarchs think rights are for the rich.

                        So: trans-rights are human rights. No exceptions.

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                        xan@xantronix.social
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                        @cstross thank you Uncle Charlie 🙏

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                        • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                          About trans rights:

                          They're a wedge issue. If you think it's okay to deprive trans people of the right to exist in the public sphere then you're saying human rights are conditional and/or can be withdrawn. Which puts you on a slippery slope to no human rights for anyone.

                          When you trace the roots of the modern anti-trans movement they boil down to some combination of bigotry and billionaire bullshit— the oligarchs think rights are for the rich.

                          So: trans-rights are human rights. No exceptions.

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                          dan_ep@mastodon.social
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                          @cstross what rights do they lack of?

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                          • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                            About trans rights:

                            They're a wedge issue. If you think it's okay to deprive trans people of the right to exist in the public sphere then you're saying human rights are conditional and/or can be withdrawn. Which puts you on a slippery slope to no human rights for anyone.

                            When you trace the roots of the modern anti-trans movement they boil down to some combination of bigotry and billionaire bullshit— the oligarchs think rights are for the rich.

                            So: trans-rights are human rights. No exceptions.

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                            @cstross

                            Yeah, it doesn't matter under what argument "rights" gets redefined into "privileges". Compared to that change, adjusting who gets to have privileges is a simplicity itself.

                            It's a common tactic to invent a strawman, or identify a fringe-issue that necessitates rewriting the whole contract.

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                              iju@mastodon.social
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                              @chopsstephens @cstross

                              The problem with the "E-card" is that in actuality relatively few people are actually shocked or disgusted by his activites. What they're actually disgusted by is getting categorised into the people to be avoided.

                              Note how companies went back on their DEI-promises as soon as the POTUS changed. It wasn't about morals, but about optics.

                              Thus "your viewpoint was probably paid by Epstein money" will probably get a takeback like "who's funding your views, then?".

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                              • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                                About trans rights:

                                They're a wedge issue. If you think it's okay to deprive trans people of the right to exist in the public sphere then you're saying human rights are conditional and/or can be withdrawn. Which puts you on a slippery slope to no human rights for anyone.

                                When you trace the roots of the modern anti-trans movement they boil down to some combination of bigotry and billionaire bullshit— the oligarchs think rights are for the rich.

                                So: trans-rights are human rights. No exceptions.

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                                @cstross
                                Rights being conditional is always the ballgame.

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                                • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                                  About trans rights:

                                  They're a wedge issue. If you think it's okay to deprive trans people of the right to exist in the public sphere then you're saying human rights are conditional and/or can be withdrawn. Which puts you on a slippery slope to no human rights for anyone.

                                  When you trace the roots of the modern anti-trans movement they boil down to some combination of bigotry and billionaire bullshit— the oligarchs think rights are for the rich.

                                  So: trans-rights are human rights. No exceptions.

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                                  johnmashey@mstdn.social
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                                  @cstross
                                  Transphobes should stop using semiconductors, especially ARM chips:
                                  https://mstdn.social/@JohnMashey/109882464505602795

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                                  • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                                    About trans rights:

                                    They're a wedge issue. If you think it's okay to deprive trans people of the right to exist in the public sphere then you're saying human rights are conditional and/or can be withdrawn. Which puts you on a slippery slope to no human rights for anyone.

                                    When you trace the roots of the modern anti-trans movement they boil down to some combination of bigotry and billionaire bullshit— the oligarchs think rights are for the rich.

                                    So: trans-rights are human rights. No exceptions.

                                    gimulnautti@mastodon.greenG This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    gimulnautti@mastodon.green
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                                    @cstross I would generalise it’s not just oligarchs who think rights are for the rich.

                                    There’s a lot of middle-class and working-class authoritarians our there, who think rights are for the in-group only.

                                    I would go even further, and think of the authoritarian personality, whose unit of action is submission & obedience.

                                    It’s not just coming from above, it’s coming from below, too. People seeing the world order through dominance, also exist in the lower classes.

                                    Fear drives it.

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                                    • photo55@mastodon.socialP photo55@mastodon.social

                                      @Legit_Spaghetti @cstross
                                      Why are there women's sports?

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                                      @Photo55 @Legit_Spaghetti @cstross my unironic hot take on this is all sports should have no restrictions, just objectives. All this arbitrary “for the sportsmanship” nonsense is ridiculous knitting circle committee pablum. If it ain’t against no actual laws and the event insurance covers it then it goes.

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                                      • dan_ep@mastodon.socialD dan_ep@mastodon.social

                                        @cstross what rights do they lack of?

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                                        @Dan_EP
                                        At the risk of answering a rhetorical question, one unfortunately common example are the so-called "bathroom bills" - various laws, regulations or court decisions in various places, regulating who can use which bathroom, written and implemented in such a way that many transgender people effectively can't use either - men's or women's

                                        This is a problem for trans people's public participation generally, for jobs - especially ones with changing rooms where people need to change into and our of uniforms, protective gear or contaminated clothing - for jury duty, for pretty much anything at any distance from the home or which takes more than a couple of hours

                                        Meanwhile, the laws aren't solving any actual problem that was happening

                                        That's just one example, unfortunately; if you want more, have a read through something like https://www.erininthemorning.com/

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                                        • gimulnautti@mastodon.greenG gimulnautti@mastodon.green

                                          @cstross I would generalise it’s not just oligarchs who think rights are for the rich.

                                          There’s a lot of middle-class and working-class authoritarians our there, who think rights are for the in-group only.

                                          I would go even further, and think of the authoritarian personality, whose unit of action is submission & obedience.

                                          It’s not just coming from above, it’s coming from below, too. People seeing the world order through dominance, also exist in the lower classes.

                                          Fear drives it.

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                                          @gimulnautti
                                          Here's a good overview

                                          https://theauthoritarians.org/
                                          @cstross

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