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  3. when I say that the IMSAI 8080 PSU has "soda can sized caps", I'm not joking

when I say that the IMSAI 8080 PSU has "soda can sized caps", I'm not joking

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  • brouhaha@mastodon.socialB brouhaha@mastodon.social

    @fae @lynn
    But if you are wearing a metal watch, ring, etc, and get one of the supply rails shorted through it to ground or another supply rail, the supply will give all of the amps it can (usually much beyond its rated output, at least for seconds) through that metal. It can't electrocute you, but the metal can heat up enough to cause a serious burn. With a ring, potentially serious enough to lose the finger.
    Lesson: remove watch and hand jewelry while working inside computers. Even PCs.
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    @brouhaha @lynn ah yea, and i was assuming the 1400A was the caps discharging?

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    • lynn@woof.techL lynn@woof.tech

      @brouhaha @fae I'm confident this was a single user system though -- there's an original CPU-A (i8080), a few RAM boards i think adding up to ~64k, ROM board, cassette interface, disk interface, serial/parallel I/O, and a character terminal 🙂

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      @brouhaha @fae fairly confident that one of the I/O ports was wired up for a parallel keyboard due to the character terminal card installed, but this thing came with neither the keyboard or disk drive, and I have since tried to re-wire the I/O card (I might still have pics of the original config somewhere, but like... good luck finding the right keyboard. i'll just talk to it over serial, somewhere down the line, probably)

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      • fae@pony.socialF fae@pony.social

        @brouhaha @lynn ah yea, and i was assuming the 1400A was the caps discharging?

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        @fae @brouhaha the 1400 amps was most likely an exaggeration, going by the IMSAI's original PSU manual, though maybe with the IEEE-696 spec they went a little crazier, i'd have to look that up 🙂

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        • fae@pony.socialF fae@pony.social

          @brouhaha @lynn ah yea, and i was assuming the 1400A was the caps discharging?

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          @fae @lynn
          I think they were suggesting that the chassis full of cards consumed 1400A from one or more of the DC supply rails. An obvious exaggeration.

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          • brouhaha@mastodon.socialB brouhaha@mastodon.social

            @fae @lynn
            I think they were suggesting that the chassis full of cards consumed 1400A from one or more of the DC supply rails. An obvious exaggeration.

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            @brouhaha @fae I mean, who knows. With a large enough backplane, and cards... The Matrox ALT-256 claims you can add up to 24 of them to get 24-bit color 🙂

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            • lynn@woof.techL lynn@woof.tech

              @brouhaha @fae I mean, who knows. With a large enough backplane, and cards... The Matrox ALT-256 claims you can add up to 24 of them to get 24-bit color 🙂

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              @lynn @fae
              Even so...
              Most cards other than 8080 CPU cards had their main power draw on the +5V rail. Notable exceptions were dynamic RAM cards using 4K or 16K DRAMs, which drew a lot of current from the +16V (+13.5V IMSAI) rail.
              I could see having a 22-slot backplane full of fancy cards that each drew perhaps 3A of +8V. AFAIK, no stock S-100 chassis had a power supply that could handle that, nor could any stock backplane, and you'd need extra cooling fans blowing over the cards.

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              • brouhaha@mastodon.socialB brouhaha@mastodon.social

                @lynn @fae
                Even so...
                Most cards other than 8080 CPU cards had their main power draw on the +5V rail. Notable exceptions were dynamic RAM cards using 4K or 16K DRAMs, which drew a lot of current from the +16V (+13.5V IMSAI) rail.
                I could see having a 22-slot backplane full of fancy cards that each drew perhaps 3A of +8V. AFAIK, no stock S-100 chassis had a power supply that could handle that, nor could any stock backplane, and you'd need extra cooling fans blowing over the cards.

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                @lynn @fae
                One of my friends put ammeters on the front panel of his homebrew system, since he often reconfigured it, and wanted to keep track of how much current margin he had.

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                • brouhaha@mastodon.socialB brouhaha@mastodon.social

                  @fae @lynn
                  But if you are wearing a metal watch, ring, etc, and get one of the supply rails shorted through it to ground or another supply rail, the supply will give all of the amps it can (usually much beyond its rated output, at least for seconds) through that metal. It can't electrocute you, but the metal can heat up enough to cause a serious burn. With a ring, potentially serious enough to lose the finger.
                  Lesson: remove watch and hand jewelry while working inside computers. Even PCs.
                  4/

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                  @brouhaha @fae @lynn

                  The designer of the Rational R1000 told how his engineering-ring once shorted pins on this backplane.

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                  Fil:R1000 s100 Backplane 2.jpg - DDHFwiki

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                  (datamuseum.dk)

                  Those grey metal blocks at the bottom is where you bolt on the AWG 3/0 cables to the power-supplies, each of which is rated for 200A.

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                  • brouhaha@mastodon.socialB brouhaha@mastodon.social

                    @lynn
                    🎶 And when they turn the power on, it's sure to dim the lamps
                    With plus or minus sixteen volts and fourteen hundred amps
                    – Frank Hayes, "S-100 Bus"

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                    @brouhaha @lynn OMG I had never heard that https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMS6G83NqFQ

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                    • brouhaha@mastodon.socialB brouhaha@mastodon.social

                      @lynn @fae
                      One of my friends put ammeters on the front panel of his homebrew system, since he often reconfigured it, and wanted to keep track of how much current margin he had.

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                      #37

                      @brouhaha @fae yeah I don’t wanna modify the front panel of my IMSAI but I did consider putting something like that inside somewhere 🙂

                      If I ever go for a more homebrew S100 system something like that would be cool on the front panel for sure

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                      • lynn@woof.techL lynn@woof.tech

                        when I say that the IMSAI 8080 PSU has "soda can sized caps", I'm not joking

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                        @lynn As a schoolboy I worked with a cast-off LACE MK II analogue computer.

                        Which was valve based, and had big power supplies with very large capacitors.

                        My little brother discovered that if you took a spare one of these, and clamped its terminals in a stand nicked from the chemistry lab, and then put 6.3v AC at many, many amps across the terminals from one of the computer's massive valve heater transformers, the capacitor can would shoot right across the school playground.

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