This is bad.
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@xgranade These are very much not fergalicious vibes.
Now I'm curious what they used Claude for. *runs some diffs*@theorangetheme @xgranade *each time I see a diff that _doesn't_ have AI contributions*
“Fergalicious diff”
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@theorangetheme @xgranade *each time I see a diff that _doesn't_ have AI contributions*
“Fergalicious diff”
@reillypascal @xgranade Thank you for the laugh today hehe.
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@xgranade These are very much not fergalicious vibes.
Now I'm curious what they used Claude for. *runs some diffs*@theorangetheme @xgranade here are the commits on `main` where it's explicitly a co-author:
```
$ git log --oneline -i --grep "Co-authored-by: Claude.*anthropic\.com"
59f247e43bc gh-115952: Fix a potential virtual memory allocation denial of service in pickle (GH-119204)
5b1862bdd80 gh-87512: Fix `subprocess` using `timeout=` on Windows blocking with a large `input=` (GH-142058)
cc6bc4c97f7 GH-134453: Fix subprocess memoryview input handling on POSIX (GH-134949)
532c37695d0 gh-137134: Update SQLite to 3.50.4 for binary releases (GH-137135)
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@xgranade These are very much not fergalicious vibes.
Now I'm curious what they used Claude for. *runs some diffs* -
Part of the problem with doing so is.... well, now what? It's not like a Python project can just... stop being a Python project?
But I think it's important to at least understand the scope of the problem.
@xgranade it's extremely worrying, yeah. it's probably too big to fork
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@theorangetheme @xgranade here are the commits on `main` where it's explicitly a co-author:
```
$ git log --oneline -i --grep "Co-authored-by: Claude.*anthropic\.com"
59f247e43bc gh-115952: Fix a potential virtual memory allocation denial of service in pickle (GH-119204)
5b1862bdd80 gh-87512: Fix `subprocess` using `timeout=` on Windows blocking with a large `input=` (GH-142058)
cc6bc4c97f7 GH-134453: Fix subprocess memoryview input handling on POSIX (GH-134949)
532c37695d0 gh-137134: Update SQLite to 3.50.4 for binary releases (GH-137135)
```@SnoopJ @theorangetheme There's a few more that list it in the PR thread but that don't list it as a co-author. Still, I agree, it's a fairly limited problem so far. My worry is that I don't see any mechanism for keeping that scope limited going forward.
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@SnoopJ @theorangetheme There's a few more that list it in the PR thread but that don't list it as a co-author. Still, I agree, it's a fairly limited problem so far. My worry is that I don't see any mechanism for keeping that scope limited going forward.
@xgranade @theorangetheme yea I didn't mean to minimize the impact, just wanted to share the cantrip I've been using to check this when I run into the same thing
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@xgranade it's extremely worrying, yeah. it's probably too big to fork
@ireneista Especially because you need to also fork the whole governance model around it.
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@SnoopJ @theorangetheme There's a few more that list it in the PR thread but that don't list it as a co-author. Still, I agree, it's a fairly limited problem so far. My worry is that I don't see any mechanism for keeping that scope limited going forward.
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@xgranade @theorangetheme yea I didn't mean to minimize the impact, just wanted to share the cantrip I've been using to check this when I run into the same thing
@SnoopJ @theorangetheme No, absolutely. I see this as the leading indicator rather than the damage itself, if that makes sense?
I keep using the term "AI-vulnerable" to try and point to that there isn't necessarily an actual direct impact, so much as a dramatically increased vulnerability surface area.
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@ireneista Especially because you need to also fork the whole governance model around it.
@xgranade yeah. we think it's highly likely there are too many specific people with specific knowledge for that to work...
this isn't a particularly helpful observation, but we should probably never have put so many eggs in one basket to begin with
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@xgranade yeah. we think it's highly likely there are too many specific people with specific knowledge for that to work...
this isn't a particularly helpful observation, but we should probably never have put so many eggs in one basket to begin with
@xgranade though, of course, it's hard to see what else we could have done
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@ireneista Especially because you need to also fork the whole governance model around it.
@xgranade @ireneista "do you have five million dollars of disposable income to fund an alternative to the PSF" is a good place to start, if you want to frame it as a "hostile fork" situation. the only solution is to get involved in the messy process of politics and governance and try to figure out a way to negotiate a durable peace
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@xgranade @ireneista "do you have five million dollars of disposable income to fund an alternative to the PSF" is a good place to start, if you want to frame it as a "hostile fork" situation. the only solution is to get involved in the messy process of politics and governance and try to figure out a way to negotiate a durable peace
@xgranade @ireneista unless you do have $5MM++ in which case, uh, cool, very happy for you
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@xgranade @ireneista "do you have five million dollars of disposable income to fund an alternative to the PSF" is a good place to start, if you want to frame it as a "hostile fork" situation. the only solution is to get involved in the messy process of politics and governance and try to figure out a way to negotiate a durable peace
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@xgranade @ireneista "do you have five million dollars of disposable income to fund an alternative to the PSF" is a good place to start, if you want to frame it as a "hostile fork" situation. the only solution is to get involved in the messy process of politics and governance and try to figure out a way to negotiate a durable peace
@glyph @ireneista One of those domino memes that starts with Calibre cutting a new release and topples into "Cassandra Granade runs for PSF Board."
I just seriously do not want to. But I agree, getting into the messy politics is the only way forward with Python in particular.
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@cap_ybarra @xgranade @sparks they do not take fash money, but they seem to be happily using a machine that is intrinsically inseparable from fash values anyway...
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@theorangetheme @xgranade I don't want to sell CPython's review process and test suite short here, nor the high quality of the work that Serhiy and Gregory do on the core. I don't subscribe to the theory that it's automatically bad work on technical merit because of the tools.
But it *does* carry the taint of corporate influence, exposure to financial instability, and ethical/aesthetic unpleasantness, and I find that very regrettable.
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@glyph @ireneista One of those domino memes that starts with Calibre cutting a new release and topples into "Cassandra Granade runs for PSF Board."
I just seriously do not want to. But I agree, getting into the messy politics is the only way forward with Python in particular.
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@theorangetheme @xgranade I don't want to sell CPython's review process and test suite short here, nor the high quality of the work that Serhiy and Gregory do on the core. I don't subscribe to the theory that it's automatically bad work on technical merit because of the tools.
But it *does* carry the taint of corporate influence, exposure to financial instability, and ethical/aesthetic unpleasantness, and I find that very regrettable.
@theorangetheme I do agree with @xgranade that it's a leading indicator, especially if the scope of use grows…
