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Edit: This is apparently one person's idea and may not make it into Tumbleweed: I would still love suggestions on which way to jump off it does happen

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  • canageek@wandering.shopC canageek@wandering.shop

    Edit: This is apparently one person's idea and may not make it into Tumbleweed: I would still love suggestions on which way to jump off it does happen

    "For openSUSE Linux they are looking at developing an AI-powered onboarding experience for users to deal with "new openSUSE users face a steep learning curve navigating distribution-specific tools like zypper, YaST, Btrfs/Snapper, and systemd." "

    Guess it is time for me to find a new linux distro. Recommendations welcome.

    #NoAI #OpenSUSE #Linux

    kalpa@fosstodon.orgK This user is from outside of this forum
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    @Canageek I'm not trying to talk you into staying, but do keep in mind, that one openSUSE developer saying they're doing this, even if published on news.o.o, doesn't mean A) its going to be adopted by the project, or B) that it's going to ship in all products.

    People like to assume that openSUSE is a big monolith that is all marching to the same tune.

    It isn't.

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    • canageek@wandering.shopC canageek@wandering.shop

      Edit: This is apparently one person's idea and may not make it into Tumbleweed: I would still love suggestions on which way to jump off it does happen

      "For openSUSE Linux they are looking at developing an AI-powered onboarding experience for users to deal with "new openSUSE users face a steep learning curve navigating distribution-specific tools like zypper, YaST, Btrfs/Snapper, and systemd." "

      Guess it is time for me to find a new linux distro. Recommendations welcome.

      #NoAI #OpenSUSE #Linux

      rockario@kind.socialR This user is from outside of this forum
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      #3

      @Canageek "Our tooling and minimum-required-knowledge is really high. So we're just gonna throw an AI at the problem."

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      • canageek@wandering.shopC canageek@wandering.shop

        Edit: This is apparently one person's idea and may not make it into Tumbleweed: I would still love suggestions on which way to jump off it does happen

        "For openSUSE Linux they are looking at developing an AI-powered onboarding experience for users to deal with "new openSUSE users face a steep learning curve navigating distribution-specific tools like zypper, YaST, Btrfs/Snapper, and systemd." "

        Guess it is time for me to find a new linux distro. Recommendations welcome.

        #NoAI #OpenSUSE #Linux

        canageek@wandering.shopC This user is from outside of this forum
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        #4

        I'm thinking I might check out a Mandrake Linux descendent? I've liked Mageia linux in past.

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        • canageek@wandering.shopC canageek@wandering.shop

          Edit: This is apparently one person's idea and may not make it into Tumbleweed: I would still love suggestions on which way to jump off it does happen

          "For openSUSE Linux they are looking at developing an AI-powered onboarding experience for users to deal with "new openSUSE users face a steep learning curve navigating distribution-specific tools like zypper, YaST, Btrfs/Snapper, and systemd." "

          Guess it is time for me to find a new linux distro. Recommendations welcome.

          #NoAI #OpenSUSE #Linux

          wanderingbeekeeper@weirder.earthW This user is from outside of this forum
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          #5

          @Canageek I've been using MX Linux for years, and its ancestor MEPIS before that. Running XFCE with no systemd takes a little getting used to ... but it's a robust OS. It's also one that my limited skills are sufficient to maintain and upgrade.

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          • canageek@wandering.shopC canageek@wandering.shop

            Edit: This is apparently one person's idea and may not make it into Tumbleweed: I would still love suggestions on which way to jump off it does happen

            "For openSUSE Linux they are looking at developing an AI-powered onboarding experience for users to deal with "new openSUSE users face a steep learning curve navigating distribution-specific tools like zypper, YaST, Btrfs/Snapper, and systemd." "

            Guess it is time for me to find a new linux distro. Recommendations welcome.

            #NoAI #OpenSUSE #Linux

            cocaine_owlbear@retro.pizzaC This user is from outside of this forum
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            #6

            @Canageek assuming that OpenSUSE really does do this… well, I feel your pain. I don't know what your needs are, but it is worth looking at Debian; they have indicated that they have no plans to integrate AI. Gentoo has taken a firm anti-AI stance.

            Arch hasn't made any statements, but integration of AI would be against their whole ethos. By extension, Endeavor OS is also probably safe.

            There are actually quite a few good Linux options that eschew AI. But depending on your use case, you could also give NetBSD a shot 😁

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            • cocaine_owlbear@retro.pizzaC cocaine_owlbear@retro.pizza

              @Canageek assuming that OpenSUSE really does do this… well, I feel your pain. I don't know what your needs are, but it is worth looking at Debian; they have indicated that they have no plans to integrate AI. Gentoo has taken a firm anti-AI stance.

              Arch hasn't made any statements, but integration of AI would be against their whole ethos. By extension, Endeavor OS is also probably safe.

              There are actually quite a few good Linux options that eschew AI. But depending on your use case, you could also give NetBSD a shot 😁

              canageek@wandering.shopC This user is from outside of this forum
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              @cocaine_owlbear I thought NetBSD had gone all in on AI?

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              • wanderingbeekeeper@weirder.earthW wanderingbeekeeper@weirder.earth

                @Canageek I've been using MX Linux for years, and its ancestor MEPIS before that. Running XFCE with no systemd takes a little getting used to ... but it's a robust OS. It's also one that my limited skills are sufficient to maintain and upgrade.

                canageek@wandering.shopC This user is from outside of this forum
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                @WanderingBeekeeper Yeah, I would ideally want something that keeps KDE as an option

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                • kalpa@fosstodon.orgK kalpa@fosstodon.org

                  @Canageek I'm not trying to talk you into staying, but do keep in mind, that one openSUSE developer saying they're doing this, even if published on news.o.o, doesn't mean A) its going to be adopted by the project, or B) that it's going to ship in all products.

                  People like to assume that openSUSE is a big monolith that is all marching to the same tune.

                  It isn't.

                  canageek@wandering.shopC This user is from outside of this forum
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                  @kalpa That is good to hear! I thought there would be some sort of consensus process before it went out as a press release

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                  • canageek@wandering.shopC canageek@wandering.shop

                    @cocaine_owlbear I thought NetBSD had gone all in on AI?

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                    #10

                    @Canageek none of the BSDs have as far as code goes. FreeBSD uses it for documentation translation (and got bit in the ass for it), but NetBSD said no rather vocally.

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                    NetBSD bans AI-generated code to preserve clear copyright and meet licensing goals.

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                    • cocaine_owlbear@retro.pizzaC cocaine_owlbear@retro.pizza

                      @Canageek none of the BSDs have as far as code goes. FreeBSD uses it for documentation translation (and got bit in the ass for it), but NetBSD said no rather vocally.

                      Link Preview Image
                      NetBSD's New Policy: No Place for AI-Created Code

                      NetBSD bans AI-generated code to preserve clear copyright and meet licensing goals.

                      favicon

                      Linuxiac (linuxiac.com)

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                      @cocaine_owlbear Thank you

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                      • canageek@wandering.shopC canageek@wandering.shop

                        @WanderingBeekeeper Yeah, I would ideally want something that keeps KDE as an option

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                        @Canageek MX also ships with KDE, XFCE is just the default

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                        • canageek@wandering.shopC canageek@wandering.shop

                          @kalpa That is good to hear! I thought there would be some sort of consensus process before it went out as a press release

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                          @Canageek Part of the issue is when people say #openSUSE, it's not particularly descriptive. They could be talking about #Leap, or #Tumbleweed, #MicroOS, or even some other variants, like #Aeon or #Kalpa, none of which have to really be in agreement with each other, for something to exist within the larger project, or ship them.

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                          • kalpa@fosstodon.orgK kalpa@fosstodon.org

                            @Canageek Part of the issue is when people say #openSUSE, it's not particularly descriptive. They could be talking about #Leap, or #Tumbleweed, #MicroOS, or even some other variants, like #Aeon or #Kalpa, none of which have to really be in agreement with each other, for something to exist within the larger project, or ship them.

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                            @kalpa Ah, so it's more of a collective than a formal organization?

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                            • canageek@wandering.shopC canageek@wandering.shop

                              @kalpa Ah, so it's more of a collective than a formal organization?

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                              @Canageek I suppose that's a decent enough way to put it. I tend to prefer "anarcho-syndicalist commune" but collective works.

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                              • kalpa@fosstodon.orgK kalpa@fosstodon.org

                                @Canageek I suppose that's a decent enough way to put it. I tend to prefer "anarcho-syndicalist commune" but collective works.

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                                @kalpa@fosstodon.org

                                "anarcho-syndicalist commune"
                                respect! 😂🤣
                                We take turns to act as a sort of executive officer for the week... But all the decisions of that officer 'ave to be ratified at a special biweekly meeting... by a simple majority, in the case of purely internal affairs... but by a twothirds majority, in the case of more major
                                sorry, i couldn't resist 🤭😇

                                @Canageek@wandering.shop

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                                • kalpa@fosstodon.orgK kalpa@fosstodon.org

                                  @Canageek I suppose that's a decent enough way to put it. I tend to prefer "anarcho-syndicalist commune" but collective works.

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                                  @kalpa @Canageek
                                  From what I’ve read, openSUSE is an association that acts as a link between SUSE and the developers and creators of the distributions that form part of the openSUSE project.
                                  And from what I’ve read, the Aeon distribution is not part of openSUSE.
                                  I don’t know whether this is true or not, regarding both the first and the second points. 😅

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                                  • canageek@wandering.shopC canageek@wandering.shop

                                    Edit: This is apparently one person's idea and may not make it into Tumbleweed: I would still love suggestions on which way to jump off it does happen

                                    "For openSUSE Linux they are looking at developing an AI-powered onboarding experience for users to deal with "new openSUSE users face a steep learning curve navigating distribution-specific tools like zypper, YaST, Btrfs/Snapper, and systemd." "

                                    Guess it is time for me to find a new linux distro. Recommendations welcome.

                                    #NoAI #OpenSUSE #Linux

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                                    @Canageek What is the source of this information please? The only thing I can find is https://www.phoronix.com/news/GSoC-2026-Exciting-Projects Which is a student doing the Google summer of code said they had an idea for such a project.

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                                    • canageek@wandering.shopC canageek@wandering.shop

                                      Edit: This is apparently one person's idea and may not make it into Tumbleweed: I would still love suggestions on which way to jump off it does happen

                                      "For openSUSE Linux they are looking at developing an AI-powered onboarding experience for users to deal with "new openSUSE users face a steep learning curve navigating distribution-specific tools like zypper, YaST, Btrfs/Snapper, and systemd." "

                                      Guess it is time for me to find a new linux distro. Recommendations welcome.

                                      #NoAI #OpenSUSE #Linux

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                                      @Canageek oh ffs, let this idea die
                                      Tumbleweed is my go to distro for years... do I really need to get into gentoo

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                                      • canageek@wandering.shopC canageek@wandering.shop

                                        Edit: This is apparently one person's idea and may not make it into Tumbleweed: I would still love suggestions on which way to jump off it does happen

                                        "For openSUSE Linux they are looking at developing an AI-powered onboarding experience for users to deal with "new openSUSE users face a steep learning curve navigating distribution-specific tools like zypper, YaST, Btrfs/Snapper, and systemd." "

                                        Guess it is time for me to find a new linux distro. Recommendations welcome.

                                        #NoAI #OpenSUSE #Linux

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                                        @Canageek The tools mentioned are pretty great. It sounds a bit like a baby/bathwater situation.

                                        I mean yes, it's a bit ridiculous / trendy, but of all the bad ideas about using LLMs, using them to answer questions or produce summaries on a specific set of documents and information is one the most reasonable ones. If rather than saying "just read the docs at doc.opensuse.org" you can offer a new user a way to query them using natural language, i can see the draw.

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                                        • canageek@wandering.shopC canageek@wandering.shop

                                          Edit: This is apparently one person's idea and may not make it into Tumbleweed: I would still love suggestions on which way to jump off it does happen

                                          "For openSUSE Linux they are looking at developing an AI-powered onboarding experience for users to deal with "new openSUSE users face a steep learning curve navigating distribution-specific tools like zypper, YaST, Btrfs/Snapper, and systemd." "

                                          Guess it is time for me to find a new linux distro. Recommendations welcome.

                                          #NoAI #OpenSUSE #Linux

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                                          #21

                                          gentoo has no-LLM policy. however, it's unavoidable for the packages themselves, as well as the kernel

                                          @Canageek@wandering.shop

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