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Mad fantasy-fic idea: what if even death is no escape from the law, and contracts signed in life remain binding after shuffling off this mortal coil?

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  • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

    Mad fantasy-fic idea: what if even death is no escape from the law, and contracts signed in life remain binding after shuffling off this mortal coil?

    In this setting, all contract lawyers are necromancers. A zombie is what you get when an undischarged bankrupt dies. And so on.

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    pilotmoondog@social.linux.pizza
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    @cstross I think that was the point of the original Haitian zombie myth. Slavery continues, even after death.

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    • tarah@infosec.exchangeT This user is from outside of this forum
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      @LordWoolamaloo @cstross came here to say this.

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      • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

        Mad fantasy-fic idea: what if even death is no escape from the law, and contracts signed in life remain binding after shuffling off this mortal coil?

        In this setting, all contract lawyers are necromancers. A zombie is what you get when an undischarged bankrupt dies. And so on.

        a_cubed@mastodon.socialA This user is from outside of this forum
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        a_cubed@mastodon.social
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        #37

        @cstross
        There's something of this in Max Gladstone's Craft sequences.

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        • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

          Mad fantasy-fic idea: what if even death is no escape from the law, and contracts signed in life remain binding after shuffling off this mortal coil?

          In this setting, all contract lawyers are necromancers. A zombie is what you get when an undischarged bankrupt dies. And so on.

          mainframed767@infosec.exchangeM This user is from outside of this forum
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          #38

          @cstross ah, a fantasy version of RoboCop

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          • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

            Mad fantasy-fic idea: what if even death is no escape from the law, and contracts signed in life remain binding after shuffling off this mortal coil?

            In this setting, all contract lawyers are necromancers. A zombie is what you get when an undischarged bankrupt dies. And so on.

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            redmeepleryan@dice.camp
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            #39

            @cstross Just when you thought you were out, iteas for a Laundry Files anthology pull you back in. *chuckles darkly* 🙂

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            • hmfons@mastodon.socialH hmfons@mastodon.social

              @cstross The Orzhov Syndicate would like a word.

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              #40

              @HmFons @cstross

              Came here to say this.

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              • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                Mad fantasy-fic idea: what if even death is no escape from the law, and contracts signed in life remain binding after shuffling off this mortal coil?

                In this setting, all contract lawyers are necromancers. A zombie is what you get when an undischarged bankrupt dies. And so on.

                thepdog@mas.toT This user is from outside of this forum
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                thepdog@mas.to
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                #41

                @cstross Great concept. Maybe after you finish your sequel?

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                • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                  Mad fantasy-fic idea: what if even death is no escape from the law, and contracts signed in life remain binding after shuffling off this mortal coil?

                  In this setting, all contract lawyers are necromancers. A zombie is what you get when an undischarged bankrupt dies. And so on.

                  remittancegirl@mstdn.socialR This user is from outside of this forum
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                  remittancegirl@mstdn.social
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                  #42

                  @cstross I like it. It's got legs!

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                  • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                    Mad fantasy-fic idea: what if even death is no escape from the law, and contracts signed in life remain binding after shuffling off this mortal coil?

                    In this setting, all contract lawyers are necromancers. A zombie is what you get when an undischarged bankrupt dies. And so on.

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                    #43

                    @cstross While this idea is quite different, for some reason it reminded me of the Dan Shamble, Zombie P.I. Series by Kevin J. Anderson, which I enjoyed quite a lot & wished there was more of.

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                    • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                      Mad fantasy-fic idea: what if even death is no escape from the law, and contracts signed in life remain binding after shuffling off this mortal coil?

                      In this setting, all contract lawyers are necromancers. A zombie is what you get when an undischarged bankrupt dies. And so on.

                      flippac@types.plF This user is from outside of this forum
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                      flippac@types.pl
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                      #44

                      @cstross You're pretty close to the world of The Craft Cycle and Craft Wars books, ofc

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                      • xchaos@f.czX xchaos@f.cz

                        @moira @cstross Actually, almost exactly this idea is behind evolution of term "debt" from "sin". If you read Graeber's Debt: The First 5,000 Years, you kind of feel, that the religions originated exactly from such concept.

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                        @xChaos @moira @cstross In Dutch even the same word: schuld.

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                        • mattkenworthy@mastodon.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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                          @electropict This is very close to Vernor Vinge's novella "The Cookie Monster" : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cookie_Monster_(novella)

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                          • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                            Mad fantasy-fic idea: what if even death is no escape from the law, and contracts signed in life remain binding after shuffling off this mortal coil?

                            In this setting, all contract lawyers are necromancers. A zombie is what you get when an undischarged bankrupt dies. And so on.

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                            @cstross Iain M. Banks had a novel ("Surface Detail") about a planet that enforced post-life hell by digitalizing a person's memories and personality and then installing it in a computer-generated sim of hell.

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                            • angusm@mastodon.socialA angusm@mastodon.social

                              @cstross "The Victorians were onto something with their debtors' prison. So I'd like to introduce you to a little concept we're working on. It's called debtors' Hell …”

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                              @angusm @cstross
                              Should we ever be able to map individual human consciousness, including memories, completely and accurately from human brains the notion of a "debtor's Hell" could become a reality, at least as far as using human minds as computers for unpaid labour is concerned.

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                              • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                                Mad fantasy-fic idea: what if even death is no escape from the law, and contracts signed in life remain binding after shuffling off this mortal coil?

                                In this setting, all contract lawyers are necromancers. A zombie is what you get when an undischarged bankrupt dies. And so on.

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                                @cstross only a small step from holding your descendants responsible for your debt, which has been and sometimes still is a thing in the Former US, at least.

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                                • xinit@mastodon.coffeeX xinit@mastodon.coffee

                                  @cstross
                                  That feels familiar, but not sure why. Maybe a short story from some anthology, or something Deathy from Terry Pratchett or Piers Anthony or what's his name that did Sandman.

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                                  @xinit @cstross Also something from what's his name that did Buffy and Angel. At least one character in the show (and one in the comic) had contracts with Wolfram & Hart that continued post mortem.

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                                  • dsurkin@mastodon.socialD dsurkin@mastodon.social

                                    @cstross Iain M. Banks had a novel ("Surface Detail") about a planet that enforced post-life hell by digitalizing a person's memories and personality and then installing it in a computer-generated sim of hell.

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                                    @dsurkin Are we all in that now? Or maybe just me?

                                    @cstross

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                                    • dsurkin@mastodon.socialD dsurkin@mastodon.social

                                      @cstross Iain M. Banks had a novel ("Surface Detail") about a planet that enforced post-life hell by digitalizing a person's memories and personality and then installing it in a computer-generated sim of hell.

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                                      @dsurkin Yes, I have a signed first edition copy. (It also has a thinly-disguised Elon Musk style entrepreneur who buys up all the bankrupt hells and runs hells as a software service on behalf of their creators.)

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                                      • a_cubed@mastodon.socialA a_cubed@mastodon.social

                                        @cstross
                                        There's something of this in Max Gladstone's Craft sequences.

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                                        @a_cubed @cstross More than a little. The underlying magic system of the series keeps pointing out new ways that *all* of its magic is “just” contract law, even the powers of deities and volcanoes and the weather and…

                                        It’s a wild premise that keeps leading to wilder books

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                                        • astronomy_a2z@mstdn.socialA astronomy_a2z@mstdn.social

                                          @cstross

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                                          @Astronomy_A2Z @cstross That is basically what happens to me at work wheneverI have had a heavy lunch.
                                          A resurrection effort around 1 PM.

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