Can the AI haters give it a rest already?
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@maerlynofmiria @technocounselor Yeah, they really do like to fear-monger people in to thinking AI will kill us all and destroy the world because one person decided to use AI to create music or whatever. Its just super wild to me.
@LeonianUniverse @maerlynofmiria @technocounselor
I think I’ll maintain the likely unpopular position that we need some fear-mongering just to slightly push back against the wild rush by every institution on Earth to ram it up our collective noses at 500 mph. whether we asked or not.
In a better world, where the brokers and money people had basic ethics, I think there’d be less need for fear.
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@LeonianUniverse @maerlynofmiria @technocounselor
I think I’ll maintain the likely unpopular position that we need some fear-mongering just to slightly push back against the wild rush by every institution on Earth to ram it up our collective noses at 500 mph. whether we asked or not.
In a better world, where the brokers and money people had basic ethics, I think there’d be less need for fear.
@LeonianUniverse @maerlynofmiria @technocounselor
So I guess I’ve just talked myself around to your position, kind of. It’s people who are, as usual, at the heart of the problem. The machine is only as good as whoever buys and checks the oil. So if you’re doing the maintenance and motoring right, godspeed.
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@LeonianUniverse @maerlynofmiria @technocounselor
I think I’ll maintain the likely unpopular position that we need some fear-mongering just to slightly push back against the wild rush by every institution on Earth to ram it up our collective noses at 500 mph. whether we asked or not.
In a better world, where the brokers and money people had basic ethics, I think there’d be less need for fear.
@xenophora @LeonianUniverse @technocounselor Fearmongering achieves nothing but causing needless panic. remember the Salem witch hunts where innocent women were hung and burned and drowned simply because some guy couldn't convince them to go to bed with him so he claimed they'd put the evil eye on them?
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@maerlynofmiria Right? I hear that shit all the time and my response to that is, if that's the way you see it, than make better #music! Its a market economy, if people like my music over your music and mine was made with the help of #AI, that's not my fault, do better at making music and make it more attractive to people and they will buy it more as everyone has the choice to buy music or anything that they want based on a number of factors, if people find AI music more attractive than your music, that's on them, not on the #creators of the music. hell, AI music is my music, its my ideas, my concepts, my lyrics, my style, I don't tell the AI to copy artists and there work or do anything that would suggest anything like that in the slightest, its all me, and if people want to buy it or not is there choice, not me causing harm just because you can't get your music on the #market, want to complain, complain to yourself for not being able to market as well as I do, not on me for making my music in the first place.
@LeonianUniverse @maerlynofmiria
“Make better music!”
That’s subjective. So not really the point. Maybe the AI music would sound “better” to me. But I don’t like that the people promoting new music won’t say whether or not it’s AI. I think I have a basic right to know the ingredients before I start to eat. If they won’t reveal that to me beforehand, then no thanks. I’ll reject all unknowns in favor of what I DO know to be made directly by people, for people.
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@LeonianUniverse @maerlynofmiria
“Make better music!”
That’s subjective. So not really the point. Maybe the AI music would sound “better” to me. But I don’t like that the people promoting new music won’t say whether or not it’s AI. I think I have a basic right to know the ingredients before I start to eat. If they won’t reveal that to me beforehand, then no thanks. I’ll reject all unknowns in favor of what I DO know to be made directly by people, for people.
@xenophora @maerlynofmiria Yeah, but I always tell my audiance that my music was made with AI, I am very clear about it because I want people to know that it was made with AI, I'm not saying people are right for not revealing that, that is wrong if they don't reveal that it was made with AI, but AI music is just as valid as music made with other instruments and more direct human input.
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@xenophora @LeonianUniverse @technocounselor Fearmongering achieves nothing but causing needless panic. remember the Salem witch hunts where innocent women were hung and burned and drowned simply because some guy couldn't convince them to go to bed with him so he claimed they'd put the evil eye on them?
@maerlynofmiria @LeonianUniverse @technocounselor
Apples and oranges.
I’m not panicked. Anger =/= panic.
People are way too quick in this world to say any attempt at scrutiny of what the rich and powerful are doing to us is “a witch hunt.”
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@LeonianUniverse @maerlynofmiria
“Make better music!”
That’s subjective. So not really the point. Maybe the AI music would sound “better” to me. But I don’t like that the people promoting new music won’t say whether or not it’s AI. I think I have a basic right to know the ingredients before I start to eat. If they won’t reveal that to me beforehand, then no thanks. I’ll reject all unknowns in favor of what I DO know to be made directly by people, for people.
@xenophora @LeonianUniverse I take it then, if you'd lived a bit over a century ago, that you'd have rejected electricity in favor of oil lamps until an unlucky slip set your house on fire? Or for that matter, would you still be for the application of leaches to handle medical issues? And did it ever occur to you that the reason a lot of people don't say that something is produced by AI is because of the fearmongering?
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@xenophora @maerlynofmiria Yeah, but I always tell my audiance that my music was made with AI, I am very clear about it because I want people to know that it was made with AI, I'm not saying people are right for not revealing that, that is wrong if they don't reveal that it was made with AI, but AI music is just as valid as music made with other instruments and more direct human input.
@LeonianUniverse @maerlynofmiria
[shrug] There are already non-AI online programs which can teach me music. I mostly haven’t tried them because I’m a chronic procrastinator with zero attention span. lol I have a hard time imagining why I’d feel more satisfied just instructing a machine to give me “XYZ” song than the alternative. Which would be taking at least a somewhat active role in learning the thing myself.
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@maerlynofmiria @LeonianUniverse @technocounselor
Apples and oranges.
I’m not panicked. Anger =/= panic.
People are way too quick in this world to say any attempt at scrutiny of what the rich and powerful are doing to us is “a witch hunt.”
@xenophora @LeonianUniverse @technocounselor Not apples and oranges by any means. Same attitude among the fearmongers. S.S.D.D. Same shit, different day.
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@LeonianUniverse @maerlynofmiria
[shrug] There are already non-AI online programs which can teach me music. I mostly haven’t tried them because I’m a chronic procrastinator with zero attention span. lol I have a hard time imagining why I’d feel more satisfied just instructing a machine to give me “XYZ” song than the alternative. Which would be taking at least a somewhat active role in learning the thing myself.
@xenophora @LeonianUniverse And I take it you also have hundreds of millions of dollars just growing on a money tree in your back yard to draw from if you wanted to produce music?
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@xenophora @LeonianUniverse I take it then, if you'd lived a bit over a century ago, that you'd have rejected electricity in favor of oil lamps until an unlucky slip set your house on fire? Or for that matter, would you still be for the application of leaches to handle medical issues? And did it ever occur to you that the reason a lot of people don't say that something is produced by AI is because of the fearmongering?
@maerlynofmiria @LeonianUniverse
Leeches were ultimately found to have some real-life medical use, IIRC. Again, I think you’re comparing apples and oranges. I could turn off a lamp if I really didn’t want to use it. I can’t shut off the ever-escalating applications of AI everywhere. I’m not being given much of a choice. Maybe THAT is causing fear: lack of transparency and lack of choice. It’s rational to feel fear at something so powerful being pushed on me without my consent.
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@maerlynofmiria @LeonianUniverse
Leeches were ultimately found to have some real-life medical use, IIRC. Again, I think you’re comparing apples and oranges. I could turn off a lamp if I really didn’t want to use it. I can’t shut off the ever-escalating applications of AI everywhere. I’m not being given much of a choice. Maybe THAT is causing fear: lack of transparency and lack of choice. It’s rational to feel fear at something so powerful being pushed on me without my consent.
@xenophora @LeonianUniverse It was exactly the same when electricity first showed up. application after application was found for it. Progress always scares those who don't want to move with the times. If that generation of fearmongers would have had their way, there'd have been no progress at all of any kind.
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@maerlynofmiria @LeonianUniverse
Leeches were ultimately found to have some real-life medical use, IIRC. Again, I think you’re comparing apples and oranges. I could turn off a lamp if I really didn’t want to use it. I can’t shut off the ever-escalating applications of AI everywhere. I’m not being given much of a choice. Maybe THAT is causing fear: lack of transparency and lack of choice. It’s rational to feel fear at something so powerful being pushed on me without my consent.
@maerlynofmiria @LeonianUniverse
Most people I know with deep misgivings about AI aren’t yelling the equivalent of “Burn the witch!” They’re upset because AI is being used in multiple settings in ways which do not appear to benefit them at all and the applications aren’t being adequately vetted and supervised.
I am open to hearing about beneficial applications, BTW. Or I wouldn’t have read this entire thread.
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@xenophora @LeonianUniverse It was exactly the same when electricity first showed up. application after application was found for it. Progress always scares those who don't want to move with the times. If that generation of fearmongers would have had their way, there'd have been no progress at all of any kind.
@maerlynofmiria @xenophora I'm not just giving instructions to the AI though, I always edit what I'm making, the way I see it is, I may not have the skills to play the instruments involved in creating the music, I'm not a keyboardist by any means, and 10 years of French Horn experience isn't going to help me make music that i want to make. I have only the music theory knowledge behind me, and I use that to help me when creating the music, but I treat the AI like a personal band, like if I were to pay thousands for people to make music for me based on my instructions and my lyrics, but for not thousands in up front cost. Its exactly the same, I'm a music producer, that's what I am. It is AI yes, it doesn't mean there are not human feelings and expression within the music that I create with the AI putting together the sound that I can't produce on my own.
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@xenophora @LeonianUniverse It was exactly the same when electricity first showed up. application after application was found for it. Progress always scares those who don't want to move with the times. If that generation of fearmongers would have had their way, there'd have been no progress at all of any kind.
@maerlynofmiria @LeonianUniverse
If you want to go with this tack, then you also need to acknowledge that new tech is often badly applied before it’s adequately regulated, and its most fervent purveyors forced to take more than their own bottom lines into account when promoting it. Also, perhaps that tech should not be privately owned. I would definitely support public power in my region but the suits and their bought-and-paid for pols said “No. It’s ours. We control it so fuck off."
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@maerlynofmiria @LeonianUniverse
Most people I know with deep misgivings about AI aren’t yelling the equivalent of “Burn the witch!” They’re upset because AI is being used in multiple settings in ways which do not appear to benefit them at all and the applications aren’t being adequately vetted and supervised.
I am open to hearing about beneficial applications, BTW. Or I wouldn’t have read this entire thread.
@xenophora @LeonianUniverse Let's see. Like I said earlier, it's giving me a load of help when revising books. Being a total, I'm rather unable to add visual elements, but aI has solved that problem. as well as revision in other directions. There have been areas where I've in the long run rejected ideas that would ahve been of the go nowhere variety. And where music is concerned, I've been able to produce a great deal of it, songs that would never have seen the light of day otherwise. Shopping assistance, then, once more, a lot easier to price items, especially since treditional sites seem to have this accessibility problem going on.
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@maerlynofmiria @LeonianUniverse
If you want to go with this tack, then you also need to acknowledge that new tech is often badly applied before it’s adequately regulated, and its most fervent purveyors forced to take more than their own bottom lines into account when promoting it. Also, perhaps that tech should not be privately owned. I would definitely support public power in my region but the suits and their bought-and-paid for pols said “No. It’s ours. We control it so fuck off."
@maerlynofmiria @LeonianUniverse
And documentaries like *Radium City* show just how many people suffer when a “miracle” tech or product is just dumped on the public without it being used with real restraint, testing, or understanding.
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@maerlynofmiria @LeonianUniverse
Most people I know with deep misgivings about AI aren’t yelling the equivalent of “Burn the witch!” They’re upset because AI is being used in multiple settings in ways which do not appear to benefit them at all and the applications aren’t being adequately vetted and supervised.
I am open to hearing about beneficial applications, BTW. Or I wouldn’t have read this entire thread.
@xenophora @LeonianUniverse Oh, and once more where books are concerned, writing them, that is, researching for various time periods is a lot easier. If you're writing about 6th century britain, for instance, nothing takes a reader right out of the story by the introduction of, say, potatoes, into a setting where they hadn't been discovered yet.
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@maerlynofmiria @xenophora I'm not just giving instructions to the AI though, I always edit what I'm making, the way I see it is, I may not have the skills to play the instruments involved in creating the music, I'm not a keyboardist by any means, and 10 years of French Horn experience isn't going to help me make music that i want to make. I have only the music theory knowledge behind me, and I use that to help me when creating the music, but I treat the AI like a personal band, like if I were to pay thousands for people to make music for me based on my instructions and my lyrics, but for not thousands in up front cost. Its exactly the same, I'm a music producer, that's what I am. It is AI yes, it doesn't mean there are not human feelings and expression within the music that I create with the AI putting together the sound that I can't produce on my own.
@LeonianUniverse @xenophora Uh, you don't want to just give it instructions. fAr too easy for it to go its own way.
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@xenophora @LeonianUniverse And I take it you also have hundreds of millions of dollars just growing on a money tree in your back yard to draw from if you wanted to produce music?
@maerlynofmiria @LeonianUniverse
No.I do use Photoshop to make visual collage, though. If that matters.
I’m very forthright about saying that I do, however. I’m not trying to pass off the Rough Pastels filter as me physically sitting down with a box of pastels to make a drawing.
