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  3. ok look, here, I'm going to teach you how to read Tarot like a pro.

ok look, here, I'm going to teach you how to read Tarot like a pro.

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  • munin@infosec.exchangeM munin@infosec.exchange

    And then you agree with their interpretation of their internal state and reflect it back to them - perhaps you might reword it a bit to emphasize a different detail, or turn it around and make it a question to prompt further discussion.

    munin@infosec.exchangeM This user is from outside of this forum
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    But the critical thing to note here is that you yourself aren't really bringing anything new to the situation; you're holding their attention while they reflect their internal state off of you and then work out what it means.

    The meaning is something they bring themselves; it's nothing you're actually involved with other than providing the time and space for them to suss that out.

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    • munin@infosec.exchangeM munin@infosec.exchange

      But the critical thing to note here is that you yourself aren't really bringing anything new to the situation; you're holding their attention while they reflect their internal state off of you and then work out what it means.

      The meaning is something they bring themselves; it's nothing you're actually involved with other than providing the time and space for them to suss that out.

      munin@infosec.exchangeM This user is from outside of this forum
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      #8

      So.

      With this in mind.

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      • munin@infosec.exchangeM munin@infosec.exchange

        So.

        With this in mind.

        munin@infosec.exchangeM This user is from outside of this forum
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        DOES THIS

        FUCKING

        REMIND

        YOU

        OF

        ANYTHING

        IN

        PARTICULAR.

        sikorsky78@infosec.exchangeS krupo@infosec.exchangeK munin@infosec.exchangeM vfig@mastodon.gamedev.placeV 4 Replies Last reply
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        • munin@infosec.exchangeM munin@infosec.exchange

          DOES THIS

          FUCKING

          REMIND

          YOU

          OF

          ANYTHING

          IN

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          #10

          @munin Clever Hans?

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          • munin@infosec.exchangeM munin@infosec.exchange

            DOES THIS

            FUCKING

            REMIND

            YOU

            OF

            ANYTHING

            IN

            PARTICULAR.

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            #11

            @munin professional consulting? 🙂

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            • munin@infosec.exchangeM munin@infosec.exchange

              DOES THIS

              FUCKING

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              ANYTHING

              IN

              PARTICULAR.

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              #12

              This is an extremely the fuck unsubtle view of how people attribute meaning to the spew that LLMs put out.

              People Bring Their Own Meaning To Random Shit All The Time. It's called apophenia and it's a standard feature of human brains and it's very useful for building up connections of abstract concepts but it's also something to be aware of when some fucking machine is spewing fucking bullshit text at you.

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              • munin@infosec.exchangeM munin@infosec.exchange

                This is an extremely the fuck unsubtle view of how people attribute meaning to the spew that LLMs put out.

                People Bring Their Own Meaning To Random Shit All The Time. It's called apophenia and it's a standard feature of human brains and it's very useful for building up connections of abstract concepts but it's also something to be aware of when some fucking machine is spewing fucking bullshit text at you.

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                #13

                Tarot is Applied Apophenia.

                llm shit is manipulating you by means of apophenia.

                seeing the fucking patron saint of ass warts in your morning toast? that's also apophenia.

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                • munin@infosec.exchangeM munin@infosec.exchange

                  Tarot is Applied Apophenia.

                  llm shit is manipulating you by means of apophenia.

                  seeing the fucking patron saint of ass warts in your morning toast? that's also apophenia.

                  Link Preview Image
                  Apophenia - Wikipedia

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                  (en.wikipedia.org)

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                  @munin 🙏

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                  • munin@infosec.exchangeM munin@infosec.exchange

                    DOES THIS

                    FUCKING

                    REMIND

                    YOU

                    OF

                    ANYTHING

                    IN

                    PARTICULAR.

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                    @munin eliza.bas

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                    • munin@infosec.exchangeM munin@infosec.exchange

                      Tarot is Applied Apophenia.

                      llm shit is manipulating you by means of apophenia.

                      seeing the fucking patron saint of ass warts in your morning toast? that's also apophenia.

                      Link Preview Image
                      Apophenia - Wikipedia

                      favicon

                      (en.wikipedia.org)

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                      @munin thank you for putting this to words. Same goes with spirit animals and many more. Presenting people "something" and then pay attention to what they do or do not come up with.
                      And imo this is not cheating. It is about tickling out what is in the people. Sometimes they need a little nudge from "outside" to be able to let go of inhibitions that obstruct the view on their inside.

                      It becomes problematic when the teller creates a power imbalance and exploits peoples vulnerabilities.

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                      • munin@infosec.exchangeM munin@infosec.exchange

                        This is an extremely the fuck unsubtle view of how people attribute meaning to the spew that LLMs put out.

                        People Bring Their Own Meaning To Random Shit All The Time. It's called apophenia and it's a standard feature of human brains and it's very useful for building up connections of abstract concepts but it's also something to be aware of when some fucking machine is spewing fucking bullshit text at you.

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                        #17

                        @munin
                        Ah dang, I thought the answer was therapy :']

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                        • general_chucklefuck@mastodon.socialG general_chucklefuck@mastodon.social

                          @munin
                          Ah dang, I thought the answer was therapy :']

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                          @General_Chucklefuck

                          what do you think therapy -is-.

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                          • sibylle@troet.cafeS sibylle@troet.cafe

                            @munin thank you for putting this to words. Same goes with spirit animals and many more. Presenting people "something" and then pay attention to what they do or do not come up with.
                            And imo this is not cheating. It is about tickling out what is in the people. Sometimes they need a little nudge from "outside" to be able to let go of inhibitions that obstruct the view on their inside.

                            It becomes problematic when the teller creates a power imbalance and exploits peoples vulnerabilities.

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                            @sibylle

                            Which is very much the case with LLM usage; there is a very strong power imbalance and a specific incentive towards exploiting the user.

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