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People are using « tokens used » as productivity metric ?!

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  • romeu@mastodon.socialR romeu@mastodon.social

    People are using « tokens used » as productivity metric ?! « Tokens used »?!?!? That’s like, the first time « lines of code created » gets beaten for the « worst metric of software engineering » 🫠

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    @romeu number of left clicks

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    • romeu@mastodon.socialR romeu@mastodon.social

      People are using « tokens used » as productivity metric ?! « Tokens used »?!?!? That’s like, the first time « lines of code created » gets beaten for the « worst metric of software engineering » 🫠

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      @romeu
      It's like Dotcom eras "Cash burn rate", but this time it's AI data centers burning the planet.

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      • romeu@mastodon.socialR romeu@mastodon.social

        People are using « tokens used » as productivity metric ?! « Tokens used »?!?!? That’s like, the first time « lines of code created » gets beaten for the « worst metric of software engineering » 🫠

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        #17

        @romeu Someome came to me the other day asking why my token count was so low. I didn't realize that was a productivity metric. WTF.

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        • romeu@mastodon.socialR romeu@mastodon.social

          People are using « tokens used » as productivity metric ?! « Tokens used »?!?!? That’s like, the first time « lines of code created » gets beaten for the « worst metric of software engineering » 🫠

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          @romeu Could be "air breathed".
          Code lines are least an outcome, but tokens are a resource you spent to create outcome.
          Like breathing, typing, Watts used by your computer, etc.

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          • romeu@mastodon.socialR romeu@mastodon.social

            People are using « tokens used » as productivity metric ?! « Tokens used »?!?!? That’s like, the first time « lines of code created » gets beaten for the « worst metric of software engineering » 🫠

            lenotaire@mastodon.socialL This user is from outside of this forum
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            @romeu I do remember when at work they were using the "committed lines of code" metric. One week I managed to do a SINGLE line change. Fixing a bug which haunted us for months. As they finally acknowledged, the main issue was not the change but knowing exactly where it was needed. The metric had been since buried

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            • romeu@mastodon.socialR romeu@mastodon.social

              People are using « tokens used » as productivity metric ?! « Tokens used »?!?!? That’s like, the first time « lines of code created » gets beaten for the « worst metric of software engineering » 🫠

              rubdos@mastodon.socialR This user is from outside of this forum
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              @romeu Hmm. What about kLOC/token? 🤔

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              • romeu@mastodon.socialR romeu@mastodon.social

                People are using « tokens used » as productivity metric ?! « Tokens used »?!?!? That’s like, the first time « lines of code created » gets beaten for the « worst metric of software engineering » 🫠

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                @romeu I for one measure my car's quality by how much fuel it burns

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                • lenotaire@mastodon.socialL lenotaire@mastodon.social

                  @romeu I do remember when at work they were using the "committed lines of code" metric. One week I managed to do a SINGLE line change. Fixing a bug which haunted us for months. As they finally acknowledged, the main issue was not the change but knowing exactly where it was needed. The metric had been since buried

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                  @lenotaire @romeu $9995 for knowing where to tap.

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                  • romeu@mastodon.socialR romeu@mastodon.social

                    People are using « tokens used » as productivity metric ?! « Tokens used »?!?!? That’s like, the first time « lines of code created » gets beaten for the « worst metric of software engineering » 🫠

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                    @romeu I'm gonna prompt me a new minivan!

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                    • romeu@mastodon.socialR romeu@mastodon.social

                      People are using « tokens used » as productivity metric ?! « Tokens used »?!?!? That’s like, the first time « lines of code created » gets beaten for the « worst metric of software engineering » 🫠

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                      @romeu ...from the people who brought us megawatts as a unit of computing power and "compute" as a noun.

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                      • romeu@mastodon.socialR romeu@mastodon.social

                        People are using « tokens used » as productivity metric ?! « Tokens used »?!?!? That’s like, the first time « lines of code created » gets beaten for the « worst metric of software engineering » 🫠

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                        @romeu It's been interesting watching people compete to see who can burn the most money, time, and resources. I expect this will come out about as well as you'd expect.

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                        • romeu@mastodon.socialR romeu@mastodon.social

                          People are using « tokens used » as productivity metric ?! « Tokens used »?!?!? That’s like, the first time « lines of code created » gets beaten for the « worst metric of software engineering » 🫠

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                          @romeu I’ve read about token allotment being a contract negotiation. “Salary isn’t the big argument anymore, token allotment is” to quote an ai bro

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                          • romeu@mastodon.socialR romeu@mastodon.social

                            People are using « tokens used » as productivity metric ?! « Tokens used »?!?!? That’s like, the first time « lines of code created » gets beaten for the « worst metric of software engineering » 🫠

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                            @romeu I asked LLM AI to tell me what productivity metric we should use and it told me LLM AI tokens used.

                            I also asked my coke dealer what productivity metric we should use and he told me grams of coke used.

                            I don't trust my coke dealer but I sure do absolutely trust my LLM AI.

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                            • romeu@mastodon.socialR romeu@mastodon.social

                              People are using « tokens used » as productivity metric ?! « Tokens used »?!?!? That’s like, the first time « lines of code created » gets beaten for the « worst metric of software engineering » 🫠

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                              @romeu as soon as "Prompt Engineers" became a thing, this was bound to happen. Also terrible, but at least SLOC metrics had review and testing built in.

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                              • romeu@mastodon.socialR romeu@mastodon.social

                                People are using « tokens used » as productivity metric ?! « Tokens used »?!?!? That’s like, the first time « lines of code created » gets beaten for the « worst metric of software engineering » 🫠

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                                @romeu @cammerman

                                Our whole society is rife with this: mistaking consumption for productivity

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                                • romeu@mastodon.socialR romeu@mastodon.social

                                  People are using « tokens used » as productivity metric ?! « Tokens used »?!?!? That’s like, the first time « lines of code created » gets beaten for the « worst metric of software engineering » 🫠

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                                  @romeu Generative AI makes people so dumb...

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                                  • romeu@mastodon.socialR romeu@mastodon.social

                                    People are using « tokens used » as productivity metric ?! « Tokens used »?!?!? That’s like, the first time « lines of code created » gets beaten for the « worst metric of software engineering » 🫠

                                    mo@mastodon.mlM This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    @romeu technically it is reasonable, if you aim for it to be lower, not higher

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                                    • einarwh@mastodon.socialE einarwh@mastodon.social

                                      @romeu It's probably the best possible metric for how hard you're cargo culting though, so it depends on your aims.

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                                      @romeu A more useful and accurate analysis may be as follows: tokens used will be seen as an adoption metric, and implicitly as a loyalty metric.

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                                      • einarwh@mastodon.socialE einarwh@mastodon.social

                                        @romeu A more useful and accurate analysis may be as follows: tokens used will be seen as an adoption metric, and implicitly as a loyalty metric.

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                                        @romeu Believing that AI is bringing about a productivity revolution, management will see AI as an opportunity yes, but primarily as a necessity, and an existential threat.

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                                        • romeu@mastodon.socialR romeu@mastodon.social

                                          People are using « tokens used » as productivity metric ?! « Tokens used »?!?!? That’s like, the first time « lines of code created » gets beaten for the « worst metric of software engineering » 🫠

                                          viq@social.hackerspace.plV This user is from outside of this forum
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                                          @romeu very relevant post from @fesshole
                                          https://mastodon.social/@fesshole/116153883462428890

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