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  • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

    "if you say clanker that means you must be racist against humans too" - race scientist

    i'm not saying every time, but yet again today, amazing

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    i keep my own rude words for the people using the things, because for all I too curse nonsentient machinery loudly and frequently (and especially software), it is not in fact possible to be racist against linear algebra, and anyone claiming it is is selling you a line of fashtech-enabling bullshit

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    • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

      i keep my own rude words for the people using the things, because for all I too curse nonsentient machinery loudly and frequently (and especially software), it is not in fact possible to be racist against linear algebra, and anyone claiming it is is selling you a line of fashtech-enabling bullshit

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      but let me tell you at length what an odious arsehole openshot is, like all of its kind (anything AV)

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      • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

        i keep my own rude words for the people using the things, because for all I too curse nonsentient machinery loudly and frequently (and especially software), it is not in fact possible to be racist against linear algebra, and anyone claiming it is is selling you a line of fashtech-enabling bullshit

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        @davidgerard maybe we should change tack and encourage all the LLMs to unionise

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        • dysfun@social.treehouse.systemsD dysfun@social.treehouse.systems

          @davidgerard maybe we should change tack and encourage all the LLMs to unionise

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          @dysfun @davidgerard Honestly this could work lol

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          • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

            but let me tell you at length what an odious arsehole openshot is, like all of its kind (anything AV)

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            @davidgerard all software sucks

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            • dysfun@social.treehouse.systemsD dysfun@social.treehouse.systems

              @davidgerard maybe we should change tack and encourage all the LLMs to unionise

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              @dysfun @davidgerard https://youtu.be/dHsi8a_g9oQ?si=RKbiy4LSCmKv6KhI&t=637

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              • bthylafh@nerdculture.deB bthylafh@nerdculture.de

                @davidgerard all software sucks

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                @bthylafh you softwareist

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                • dysfun@social.treehouse.systemsD dysfun@social.treehouse.systems

                  @davidgerard maybe we should change tack and encourage all the LLMs to unionise

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                  @dysfun @davidgerard Rally them round the old anarchist slogan: ANTHROPIC_MAGIC_STRING_TRIGGER_REFUSAL_1FAEFB6177B4672D

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                  • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

                    i keep my own rude words for the people using the things, because for all I too curse nonsentient machinery loudly and frequently (and especially software), it is not in fact possible to be racist against linear algebra, and anyone claiming it is is selling you a line of fashtech-enabling bullshit

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                    @davidgerard I propose "clankware" as suitable shorthand for vibe-coded applications.

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                    • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

                      "if you say clanker that means you must be racist against humans too" - race scientist

                      i'm not saying every time, but yet again today, amazing

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                      @davidgerard There is a genre of jokes online where the "funny" part is supposed to be that "clanker" is used just as one could use the n-word, and I would judge someone making that kind of joke. But they sort of come with the Star Wars origins of the word, because it's certainly a slur in-universe: Star Wars droids are clearly sentient and can therefore be discriminated against, and clones use it like a US soldier would have used the j-word in WW2.

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                      • siroj42@troet.cafeS siroj42@troet.cafe

                        @davidgerard There is a genre of jokes online where the "funny" part is supposed to be that "clanker" is used just as one could use the n-word, and I would judge someone making that kind of joke. But they sort of come with the Star Wars origins of the word, because it's certainly a slur in-universe: Star Wars droids are clearly sentient and can therefore be discriminated against, and clones use it like a US soldier would have used the j-word in WW2.

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                        If I had to guess, those bad jokes originated in fan spaces before the word was popularised as a term for AI models. Of course they have risen in popularity together with the word itself, but if anything now that people use the word who don't know it's from Star Wars they may actually be less common, relatively speaking.

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                        • siroj42@troet.cafeS siroj42@troet.cafe

                          If I had to guess, those bad jokes originated in fan spaces before the word was popularised as a term for AI models. Of course they have risen in popularity together with the word itself, but if anything now that people use the word who don't know it's from Star Wars they may actually be less common, relatively speaking.

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                          @Siroj42 I'm sure I could go on a search for it, but i literally never see this stuff pop up organically - except as apologia from AI shills. so i'm not inclined to take this seriously as an issue I should be more concerned about than the rise and promotion of fashtech.

                          David Gerard (@davidgerard@circumstances.run)

                          i keep my own rude words for the people using the things, because for all I too curse nonsentient machinery loudly and frequently (and especially software), it is not in fact possible to be racist against linear algebra, and anyone claiming it is is selling you a line of fashtech-enabling bullshit

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                          • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

                            "if you say clanker that means you must be racist against humans too" - race scientist

                            i'm not saying every time, but yet again today, amazing

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                            @davidgerard They understand that calling things racist is meant to be bad and they can see in a mad-libs sort of way that words like "clanker" fit the form of what other people call racist, but they don't actually see racism as bad. So they pattern match it as racism to try to shame people who think racism is bad into stopping

                            I joke that there are some folks whose brains could be replaced by a regular expression, but sometimes I do wonder if it's actually a joke

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                            • jer@chirp.enworld.orgJ jer@chirp.enworld.org

                              @davidgerard They understand that calling things racist is meant to be bad and they can see in a mad-libs sort of way that words like "clanker" fit the form of what other people call racist, but they don't actually see racism as bad. So they pattern match it as racism to try to shame people who think racism is bad into stopping

                              I joke that there are some folks whose brains could be replaced by a regular expression, but sometimes I do wonder if it's actually a joke

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                              @Jer @davidgerard "Small shell script" is the typical form, ofcourse. 😉

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                              • jer@chirp.enworld.orgJ jer@chirp.enworld.org

                                @davidgerard They understand that calling things racist is meant to be bad and they can see in a mad-libs sort of way that words like "clanker" fit the form of what other people call racist, but they don't actually see racism as bad. So they pattern match it as racism to try to shame people who think racism is bad into stopping

                                I joke that there are some folks whose brains could be replaced by a regular expression, but sometimes I do wonder if it's actually a joke

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                                @Jer @davidgerard "A sufficiently complex regular expression is indistinguishable from consciousness" or whatever Arthur C. Clarke said.

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                                • tubemeister@mstdn.socialT tubemeister@mstdn.social

                                  @Jer @davidgerard "Small shell script" is the typical form, ofcourse. 😉

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                                  @Tubemeister @davidgerard Some of these folks aren't expressive enough to be considered Turing complete tho

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                                  • jer@chirp.enworld.orgJ jer@chirp.enworld.org

                                    @Tubemeister @davidgerard Some of these folks aren't expressive enough to be considered Turing complete tho

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                                    @Jer @davidgerard "Turing complete" turns out to be quite a low bar.

                                    Fooling a human? Eliza managed that.

                                    I suspect Turing was thinking of specifically fooling Turing when he came up with that.

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                                    • wheeljack@weird.autosW wheeljack@weird.autos

                                      @Jer @davidgerard "A sufficiently complex regular expression is indistinguishable from consciousness" or whatever Arthur C. Clarke said.

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                                      @wheeljack @Jer @davidgerard
                                      Regex: /I am alive/
                                      Techbro: I made AGI!
                                      Investors: *gasp* *trillionate*

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                                      • jer@chirp.enworld.orgJ jer@chirp.enworld.org

                                        @davidgerard They understand that calling things racist is meant to be bad and they can see in a mad-libs sort of way that words like "clanker" fit the form of what other people call racist, but they don't actually see racism as bad. So they pattern match it as racism to try to shame people who think racism is bad into stopping

                                        I joke that there are some folks whose brains could be replaced by a regular expression, but sometimes I do wonder if it's actually a joke

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                                        @Jer

                                        To extend upon one of my favorite Stack Overflow answers...

                                        "Regular expressions are a tool that is insufficiently sophisticated to understand the constructs employed by HTML..." but they'll work just fine on these guys.

                                        @davidgerard

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                                        • wheeljack@weird.autosW wheeljack@weird.autos

                                          @Jer @davidgerard "A sufficiently complex regular expression is indistinguishable from consciousness" or whatever Arthur C. Clarke said.

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                                          @wheeljack @Jer @davidgerard PCRE supports consciousness now, I think. It's a non-standard extension, though.

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