if you search for querflöte on kleinanzeigen and order by price, you find a lot of patina-crusted military fifes from „der 30s“.
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if you search for querflöte on kleinanzeigen and order by price, you find a lot of patina-crusted military fifes from „der 30s“.
one day I'll find one (1) kind of product that you can browse without stumbling on nazi memorabilia culture
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if you search for querflöte on kleinanzeigen and order by price, you find a lot of patina-crusted military fifes from „der 30s“.
one day I'll find one (1) kind of product that you can browse without stumbling on nazi memorabilia culture
"fife" is clearly from Pfeife, but curiously, Germans don't call fifes Pfeifen.
wpedia gives „Schwegel“ but exactly 0 people seem to be using this name. Trommelflöte appears sometimes, Marschflöte a bit more. but it seems like most people just call fifes Querflöte, and context will distinguish whether you mean the military-type fife, the modern concert flute, I think also the Western baroque flute? (some of the wooden "antik querflöte" might be this), or just transversal flutes in general.
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"fife" is clearly from Pfeife, but curiously, Germans don't call fifes Pfeifen.
wpedia gives „Schwegel“ but exactly 0 people seem to be using this name. Trommelflöte appears sometimes, Marschflöte a bit more. but it seems like most people just call fifes Querflöte, and context will distinguish whether you mean the military-type fife, the modern concert flute, I think also the Western baroque flute? (some of the wooden "antik querflöte" might be this), or just transversal flutes in general.
there's a surprising number of metal concert flutes in the 50€ range and I'm suspicious of them as fuck. you can't even get a good shinobue for 50€. modern flutes should be way more expensive than that, after struggling with badly constructed bamboo flutes that damaged my technique I wouldn't trust a flute that's not from a well-known manufacturer/artisan.
in any case I will steer clear of concert flutes because my understanding of them is that modern manufacturing standards, steel body and those keys (little lids on the holes) work together to make an instrument that don't need microadjustments per note in position and volume like folk flutes, which means if I mix them up it might mess up my shinobue technique. I'm interested in trying other types of folk flutes, though, anything as long as it's edge-blown.
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"fife" is clearly from Pfeife, but curiously, Germans don't call fifes Pfeifen.
wpedia gives „Schwegel“ but exactly 0 people seem to be using this name. Trommelflöte appears sometimes, Marschflöte a bit more. but it seems like most people just call fifes Querflöte, and context will distinguish whether you mean the military-type fife, the modern concert flute, I think also the Western baroque flute? (some of the wooden "antik querflöte" might be this), or just transversal flutes in general.
@elilla here it seems like
pipa
is for traditional tooters (e.g. Härjedalspipa), andflöjt
is for IDK what you call them, concert instruments? -
there's a surprising number of metal concert flutes in the 50€ range and I'm suspicious of them as fuck. you can't even get a good shinobue for 50€. modern flutes should be way more expensive than that, after struggling with badly constructed bamboo flutes that damaged my technique I wouldn't trust a flute that's not from a well-known manufacturer/artisan.
in any case I will steer clear of concert flutes because my understanding of them is that modern manufacturing standards, steel body and those keys (little lids on the holes) work together to make an instrument that don't need microadjustments per note in position and volume like folk flutes, which means if I mix them up it might mess up my shinobue technique. I'm interested in trying other types of folk flutes, though, anything as long as it's edge-blown.
I don't really understand why "edge-blown" vs. "end-blown" appears to be the primary binary to categorise flutes, when from my point of view it doesn't matter very much how you hold it when you blow, but rather the primary difference to me is whether it's a fipple instrument (recorder, ocarina, tin whistle) or edge-blown (concert-flute, shinobue, shakuhachi).
fipple instruments are easy to play but keep you locked into the notes and timbres the fipple offers you. edge-blown instruments are much less accessible, but reward you with more expressivity.
I don't get what's the big deal on whether they're end-blown vs. side-blown. the shino is side-blown and the shaku end-blown, but they seem to me to be in the same kind of category as the concert flute (which most people just call "transversal flute"), and opposed to recorders or flageolets.
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@elilla here it seems like
pipa
is for traditional tooters (e.g. Härjedalspipa), andflöjt
is for IDK what you call them, concert instruments?@owl yeah I prefer "concert flute" for the modern metal flute with keys, but I think most people just call them "transversal flutes". the terminology is all quite ambiguous:
woodwind: any wind instrument that splits the air along an edge. not necessarily made of wood.
flute: a woodwind where the edge is not a reed. this includes both the ones where the edge is just an edge and the player controls it, and the ones where it's built into the instrument as a fipple. (I don't understand why reed aerophones are classified separately from flutes, but fipple aerophones aren't.)
edge-blown flute:
1. a flute that does not have a fipple.
2. a pleonasm for flutes (a fipple is an edge-blown aerophone like all flutes, it's just that the edge is provided by the instrument rather than technique).transversal flute:
1. any flute that is played sideways.
2. specifically the modern metal flute with keys; Western concert flute.
3. lowkey a colloquial term for "flutes that are not fipple instruments" (the vibe like "real flutes not recorders"), which is complicated by the existence of edge-blown end-blown flutes outside of the concert tradition. -
@owl yeah I prefer "concert flute" for the modern metal flute with keys, but I think most people just call them "transversal flutes". the terminology is all quite ambiguous:
woodwind: any wind instrument that splits the air along an edge. not necessarily made of wood.
flute: a woodwind where the edge is not a reed. this includes both the ones where the edge is just an edge and the player controls it, and the ones where it's built into the instrument as a fipple. (I don't understand why reed aerophones are classified separately from flutes, but fipple aerophones aren't.)
edge-blown flute:
1. a flute that does not have a fipple.
2. a pleonasm for flutes (a fipple is an edge-blown aerophone like all flutes, it's just that the edge is provided by the instrument rather than technique).transversal flute:
1. any flute that is played sideways.
2. specifically the modern metal flute with keys; Western concert flute.
3. lowkey a colloquial term for "flutes that are not fipple instruments" (the vibe like "real flutes not recorders"), which is complicated by the existence of edge-blown end-blown flutes outside of the concert tradition.@elilla the saxophone not being a brass instrument but rather a woodwind drives me crazy -
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