The views expressed by Scott in this thread do not reflect the opinions of the Mastodon core team or organisation.
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And a great lived example!
The entire chain of everything since Web 2.0 has been about impressions to sell to advertisers.
Advertising is the incentive chain that has created the stochastic penal colonies of centralized social media.
There is real readership here on Mastodon. It may not show as favorites, or retoots, but it's real.
Because people here don't have the guardrails shoving chum down their throats.
And I bet donation models might work.
This seems pertinent. This is not far from what I was writing about.
Some are intent on changing the fediverse to attract a model...
That doesn't exist here.
But we have readership here...
That is here because we reject the model, either directly or indirectly.
Re-Imagining Instead of Replacing - KnowProSE.com
When I read “Almost Two-Thirds of Europeans Back Replacing US Tech, Poll Finds,” it caught my attention.
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@troed @stepheneb @lutindiscret
The majority of the hate came from people saying I wanted more AI in Mastodon, or I was upset AI wasn't better treated (or whatever) which was exactly NOT what I wanted. I was using AI as an example of intolerance and the discussion became all about AI. (or that "tolerance lets in the nazis")I'll totally own that my initial post was too vague and made too broad of a point. I'm not going to pretend I was perfect. But if someone started saying you wanted to let nazi's into mastodon, wouldn't you feel compelled to say "uh, no?"
Your first post was confusing. You included a screenshot of a post by @carnage4life from Jan 5 and said: “but we'd *like* journalists to be here right? They aren't coming with examples like this!”
Why didn’t you quote post that? There was no link to Dare’s original post. I assume there was a thread because in that first post he didn’t seem to be saying anything terribly related to your post.
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Your first post was confusing. You included a screenshot of a post by @carnage4life from Jan 5 and said: “but we'd *like* journalists to be here right? They aren't coming with examples like this!”
Why didn’t you quote post that? There was no link to Dare’s original post. I assume there was a thread because in that first post he didn’t seem to be saying anything terribly related to your post.
@stepheneb @troed @lutindiscret My post was confusing. I'm trying to own that. Why didn't I quote post it? I found it on Blusky I think and just screenshot it. Would a link have been better? Of course.
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@jessienab Are you an AI-hater that will spew hatred in my mentions?
@troed Nope! Goodbye
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@stepheneb @troed @lutindiscret My post was confusing. I'm trying to own that. Why didn't I quote post it? I found it on Blusky I think and just screenshot it. Would a link have been better? Of course.
You ended your very first post with what seemed to me as a strange passive aggressive attempt at a guilt trip.
“They aren't coming with examples like this!”
OK, sometimes folks all caught up in their feelings start a thread that way … but I couldn’t see anything in the screenshot of Dare’s post that might have set you off???
And YES, starting a thread like that absolutely requires a quote post.
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@haubles I understand this disclaimer, but i do think apologizing is a little strange. You guys didn't do anything. At no point did I think Scott's opinions represented Mastodon as an org, nor do I get that impression from his profile. It might be prudent to require a "Opinions not endorsed by employer" blurb in Masto employee bios though.
I just hope this doesn't get him fired. Seems some people want to make a bigger deal out of this then it should be, imo.
@IntheMesh_ @haubles when I saw they were the "Product Strategy Advisor to Mastodon Core team" I was wondering whether they were representing the core team, and this was an example of Mastodon's Product Strategy
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Scott found it problematic that some people on Mastodon pour hate in people's mentions instead of using block/mute.
The ones who want to pour hate didn't like that.
@troed @lutindiscret @haubles That’s not actually what happened. Scott was remiss that Mastodon wasn’t full of fascists and AI boosters. The so-called big tent, a dog-whistle for the far right. Mastodon put him right on that.
His big mistake was comparing the racism experienced by black people with that of insufferable AI boosters and fascists. His argument imploded from there really.
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You ended your very first post with what seemed to me as a strange passive aggressive attempt at a guilt trip.
“They aren't coming with examples like this!”
OK, sometimes folks all caught up in their feelings start a thread that way … but I couldn’t see anything in the screenshot of Dare’s post that might have set you off???
And YES, starting a thread like that absolutely requires a quote post.
And you said you got the screenshot from bsky. A link to the thread might have provided more context for the highly emotional way you started the thread. Bsky threads about mastodon can get very snarky. That’s not usually the kind of considered conversation that’s useful to promote policy changes
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@troed @lutindiscret @haubles That’s not actually what happened. Scott was remiss that Mastodon wasn’t full of fascists and AI boosters. The so-called big tent, a dog-whistle for the far right. Mastodon put him right on that.
His big mistake was comparing the racism experienced by black people with that of insufferable AI boosters and fascists. His argument imploded from there really.
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@troed @lutindiscret @haubles I’m not the one lying.
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What kind of journalist calls himself “carnage4life”?
When I was a kid, journalists had names like “Peter Jennings”, their shows had names like “World News Tonight”, and they didn't whine about their viewers not fawning sufficiently.
Maybe my glasses are rose-tinted, but I miss when most adults did their jobs with competence and professionalism.
@argv_minus_one @haubles probably an enemy of spider-man
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@troed @lutindiscret @haubles I’m not the one lying.
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What kind of journalist calls himself “carnage4life”?
When I was a kid, journalists had names like “Peter Jennings”, their shows had names like “World News Tonight”, and they didn't whine about their viewers not fawning sufficiently.
Maybe my glasses are rose-tinted, but I miss when most adults did their jobs with competence and professionalism.
@argv_minus_one @haubles
Thank YOU, argv... for expressing your thoughtful viewpoint so clearly.
I will now get off your lawn and take my friends with me to Judge Hardy's barn to put on a show against obliterating civilizations back to the stone ages. -
@troed @lutindiscret @haubles You’re one of those AI boosters, aren’t you. What would you know about the truth.
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@troed @lutindiscret @haubles You’re one of those AI boosters, aren’t you. What would you know about the truth.
What do you hope to accomplish from posting easily disproven lies in this thread?
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And you said you got the screenshot from bsky. A link to the thread might have provided more context for the highly emotional way you started the thread. Bsky threads about mastodon can get very snarky. That’s not usually the kind of considered conversation that’s useful to promote policy changes
@stepheneb @troed @lutindiscret I agree with everything you're saying.
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@troed @stepheneb @lutindiscret
The majority of the hate came from people saying I wanted more AI in Mastodon, or I was upset AI wasn't better treated (or whatever) which was exactly NOT what I wanted. I was using AI as an example of intolerance and the discussion became all about AI. (or that "tolerance lets in the nazis")I'll totally own that my initial post was too vague and made too broad of a point. I'm not going to pretend I was perfect. But if someone started saying you wanted to let nazi's into mastodon, wouldn't you feel compelled to say "uh, no?"
@scottjenson @troed @stepheneb @lutindiscret I hope you find a UX way to address harassment on Mastodon. It would be very benificial. The AI example was a poor one, as literally everybody knows by now, and it’s a shame if that gets in the way of actual positive change, e.g. for marginalized communities, and ideally imho also for journalists and other asymmetrical or parasocial posters.
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RE: https://social.coop/@scottjenson/116352522288234148
The views expressed by Scott in this thread do not reflect the opinions of the Mastodon core team or organisation. We're addressing this internally. I'm sorry everyone
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@stepheneb @troed @lutindiscret I agree with everything you're saying.
@scottjenson I can ask you directly then!
s1m0n4 (@s1m0n4@ohai.social)
@haubles@hachyderm.io also is there a way to get stats on all #Mastodon users? What is the data for stating that people are leaving? Because if they're leaving instances hosted in the US, I have a valid explanation for that and it has nothing to do with Mastodon.
ohai.social (ohai.social)
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@stepheneb @troed @lutindiscret I agree with everything you're saying.
As I’ve said in earlier replies there are many different and overlapping communities on Fediverse and the care I’m taking here to communicate clearly and very specifically to help you is an example of what sometimes happens here.
I don’t see it happening on other social networks. It’s something I value greatly whether I’m participating or not. It’s what I mean by engagement.
