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  • veerat@zeroes.caV veerat@zeroes.ca

    Sigh.

    New boss: “You’re good at writing notes.”

    Me: “Thank you, it helps me to remember so I have been writing summaries for many years.”

    New boss: “You should try CoPilot and see what it can do.”

    Me: “Well I enjoy summarizing my notes, and it helps me to learn and remember.”

    New boss: “Let me show you something I did in CoPilot.”

    Ugh. Writing it myself helps me LEARN and REMEMBER. Why are these AI zombies so intent on changing a process that is helpful to me? Feeding notes through CoPilot won’t benefit me when it’s the act of writing that works for me.

    will@www.librepunk.clubW This user is from outside of this forum
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    wrote last edited by
    #28

    @VeeRat me too. It's the act of taking notes that helps me be engaged and remember things. The noted themselves I only really use if I need to prove a point or clarify a decision that nobody remembers six months later. This is not something that AI can solve for me.

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    • veerat@zeroes.caV veerat@zeroes.ca

      Sigh.

      New boss: “You’re good at writing notes.”

      Me: “Thank you, it helps me to remember so I have been writing summaries for many years.”

      New boss: “You should try CoPilot and see what it can do.”

      Me: “Well I enjoy summarizing my notes, and it helps me to learn and remember.”

      New boss: “Let me show you something I did in CoPilot.”

      Ugh. Writing it myself helps me LEARN and REMEMBER. Why are these AI zombies so intent on changing a process that is helpful to me? Feeding notes through CoPilot won’t benefit me when it’s the act of writing that works for me.

      mwyman@mastodon.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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      wrote last edited by
      #29

      @VeeRat @drahardja I’m not sure where it’s from, but there’s an incredible quote “I’m not writing it down to remember tomorrow, I’m writing it down to remember it now!” and I think about this a lot with discussions about notes and summaries and LLMs.

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      • veerat@zeroes.caV veerat@zeroes.ca

        Sigh.

        New boss: “You’re good at writing notes.”

        Me: “Thank you, it helps me to remember so I have been writing summaries for many years.”

        New boss: “You should try CoPilot and see what it can do.”

        Me: “Well I enjoy summarizing my notes, and it helps me to learn and remember.”

        New boss: “Let me show you something I did in CoPilot.”

        Ugh. Writing it myself helps me LEARN and REMEMBER. Why are these AI zombies so intent on changing a process that is helpful to me? Feeding notes through CoPilot won’t benefit me when it’s the act of writing that works for me.

        eibart@zirk.usE This user is from outside of this forum
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        wrote last edited by
        #30

        @VeeRat
        the purpose is not to benefit you, but to benefit your exploiter and microsoft

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        • veerat@zeroes.caV veerat@zeroes.ca

          Sigh.

          New boss: “You’re good at writing notes.”

          Me: “Thank you, it helps me to remember so I have been writing summaries for many years.”

          New boss: “You should try CoPilot and see what it can do.”

          Me: “Well I enjoy summarizing my notes, and it helps me to learn and remember.”

          New boss: “Let me show you something I did in CoPilot.”

          Ugh. Writing it myself helps me LEARN and REMEMBER. Why are these AI zombies so intent on changing a process that is helpful to me? Feeding notes through CoPilot won’t benefit me when it’s the act of writing that works for me.

          dpnash@c.imD This user is from outside of this forum
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          wrote last edited by
          #31

          @VeeRat > Ugh. Writing it myself helps me LEARN and REMEMBER.

          Once written, twice learned.

          Writing code, for example. It's slower than asking the pasteurized process code product generator to do it. But the code slopperizer only gives you code. Writing it yourself gives you, and any organization you work for, both code and understanding.

          And I don't just mean the detailed step-by-step "this is what the code does to address some specific need" sort of understanding, though that's also true. It's also an understanding of how you got there, what tradeoffs you made (and so what you might need to address in a few weeks or months), how other people have approached a related problem, or a bit of code your code interacts with in some way, and thus how you need to handle this particular case (it'll be different for different people), and so many other kinds of learning and understanding that can't just be pulled from the code slopperizer.

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          • veerat@zeroes.caV veerat@zeroes.ca

            Sigh.

            New boss: “You’re good at writing notes.”

            Me: “Thank you, it helps me to remember so I have been writing summaries for many years.”

            New boss: “You should try CoPilot and see what it can do.”

            Me: “Well I enjoy summarizing my notes, and it helps me to learn and remember.”

            New boss: “Let me show you something I did in CoPilot.”

            Ugh. Writing it myself helps me LEARN and REMEMBER. Why are these AI zombies so intent on changing a process that is helpful to me? Feeding notes through CoPilot won’t benefit me when it’s the act of writing that works for me.

            moutmout@framapiaf.orgM This user is from outside of this forum
            moutmout@framapiaf.orgM This user is from outside of this forum
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            wrote last edited by
            #32

            @VeeRat Handwriting is hard for me. And I can't remember the things I just wrote down (unless I read them multiple times afterwards). I also can't listen to what someone is saying and create usable notes at the same time. My note-taking strategy usually involves either getting someone else to share their notes with me, or sitting down alone afterwards to write down everything I remember.

            I still would not use CoPilot for note-taking because I like my notes to be accurate and on-topic!

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            • veerat@zeroes.caV veerat@zeroes.ca

              Sigh.

              New boss: “You’re good at writing notes.”

              Me: “Thank you, it helps me to remember so I have been writing summaries for many years.”

              New boss: “You should try CoPilot and see what it can do.”

              Me: “Well I enjoy summarizing my notes, and it helps me to learn and remember.”

              New boss: “Let me show you something I did in CoPilot.”

              Ugh. Writing it myself helps me LEARN and REMEMBER. Why are these AI zombies so intent on changing a process that is helpful to me? Feeding notes through CoPilot won’t benefit me when it’s the act of writing that works for me.

              zakalwe@plasmatrap.comZ This user is from outside of this forum
              zakalwe@plasmatrap.comZ This user is from outside of this forum
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              wrote last edited by
              #33

              @VeeRat@zeroes.ca The LLM tells them they're geniuses.

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              • veerat@zeroes.caV veerat@zeroes.ca

                Sigh.

                New boss: “You’re good at writing notes.”

                Me: “Thank you, it helps me to remember so I have been writing summaries for many years.”

                New boss: “You should try CoPilot and see what it can do.”

                Me: “Well I enjoy summarizing my notes, and it helps me to learn and remember.”

                New boss: “Let me show you something I did in CoPilot.”

                Ugh. Writing it myself helps me LEARN and REMEMBER. Why are these AI zombies so intent on changing a process that is helpful to me? Feeding notes through CoPilot won’t benefit me when it’s the act of writing that works for me.

                401matthall@mastodon.xyz4 This user is from outside of this forum
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                wrote last edited by
                #34

                @VeeRat

                They _literally_ don't understand what you mean. I'm the same as you in this respect. The _act_ of writing is valuable. Not the artifact writing produces but the _act_. It's valuable to me personally and I'm not going to stop just because somebody has an AI/LLM/RNG-machine buzz.

                ❤

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                • veerat@zeroes.caV veerat@zeroes.ca

                  Sigh.

                  New boss: “You’re good at writing notes.”

                  Me: “Thank you, it helps me to remember so I have been writing summaries for many years.”

                  New boss: “You should try CoPilot and see what it can do.”

                  Me: “Well I enjoy summarizing my notes, and it helps me to learn and remember.”

                  New boss: “Let me show you something I did in CoPilot.”

                  Ugh. Writing it myself helps me LEARN and REMEMBER. Why are these AI zombies so intent on changing a process that is helpful to me? Feeding notes through CoPilot won’t benefit me when it’s the act of writing that works for me.

                  paulcox@toot.walesP This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #35

                  @VeeRat I couldn't agree more

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                  • veerat@zeroes.caV veerat@zeroes.ca

                    Sigh.

                    New boss: “You’re good at writing notes.”

                    Me: “Thank you, it helps me to remember so I have been writing summaries for many years.”

                    New boss: “You should try CoPilot and see what it can do.”

                    Me: “Well I enjoy summarizing my notes, and it helps me to learn and remember.”

                    New boss: “Let me show you something I did in CoPilot.”

                    Ugh. Writing it myself helps me LEARN and REMEMBER. Why are these AI zombies so intent on changing a process that is helpful to me? Feeding notes through CoPilot won’t benefit me when it’s the act of writing that works for me.

                    robo105@mastodon.socialR This user is from outside of this forum
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                    robo105@mastodon.social
                    wrote last edited by
                    #36

                    @VeeRat The assumption that it is easier and therefore better is ludicrous

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                    • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                      @VeeRat They're trying to make converts because it validates their own use of the tools, which they feel insecure about. It's a quasi-religious evangelical impulse.

                      epilonious@toot.lgbtE This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #37

                      @cstross @VeeRat The thing I have seen the most-of is Gen Z and Alpha basically pretending to use AI to make Gamm-pa Boomer Manager happy, but really just learning the ropes and making the connections with the C-Suite while also playing nice with all the Xennials who actually Do Shit.

                      The result is when the Boomers FINALLY retire... the youngin's will probably be given the keys and will keep the Xennials who don't suck.

                      Much like Intergenerational wealth advice of "Leave it to the grandkids"

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                      • epilonious@toot.lgbtE epilonious@toot.lgbt

                        @cstross @VeeRat The thing I have seen the most-of is Gen Z and Alpha basically pretending to use AI to make Gamm-pa Boomer Manager happy, but really just learning the ropes and making the connections with the C-Suite while also playing nice with all the Xennials who actually Do Shit.

                        The result is when the Boomers FINALLY retire... the youngin's will probably be given the keys and will keep the Xennials who don't suck.

                        Much like Intergenerational wealth advice of "Leave it to the grandkids"

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                        epilonious@toot.lgbt
                        wrote last edited by
                        #38

                        @cstross @VeeRat

                        Will the "Xennials who do suck" include a bunch of toadies who couldn't even get AI to do things for them, a LOT of middle management feeling like they are living in a Dilbert Strip... as well as the creepy nepotism hire who knows where the body(ies) are buried?

                        Yeeep.

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                        • gbargoud@masto.nycG gbargoud@masto.nyc

                          @VeeRat

                          As everyone knows, the process is meaningless. Only the outputs have any value.

                          csolisr@hub.azkware.netC This user is from outside of this forum
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                          #39
                          More accurately: only the outputs can be sold for money, the process is obviously a sink of effort and salaries
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                          • veerat@zeroes.caV veerat@zeroes.ca

                            Sigh.

                            New boss: “You’re good at writing notes.”

                            Me: “Thank you, it helps me to remember so I have been writing summaries for many years.”

                            New boss: “You should try CoPilot and see what it can do.”

                            Me: “Well I enjoy summarizing my notes, and it helps me to learn and remember.”

                            New boss: “Let me show you something I did in CoPilot.”

                            Ugh. Writing it myself helps me LEARN and REMEMBER. Why are these AI zombies so intent on changing a process that is helpful to me? Feeding notes through CoPilot won’t benefit me when it’s the act of writing that works for me.

                            clonedhuman@mastodon.socialC This user is from outside of this forum
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                            clonedhuman@mastodon.social
                            wrote last edited by
                            #40

                            RE: https://tldr.nettime.org/@tante/116217631691585046

                            @VeeRat Yep. https://mastodon.social/@tante@tldr.nettime.org/116217631979979055

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                            • veerat@zeroes.caV veerat@zeroes.ca

                              Sigh.

                              New boss: “You’re good at writing notes.”

                              Me: “Thank you, it helps me to remember so I have been writing summaries for many years.”

                              New boss: “You should try CoPilot and see what it can do.”

                              Me: “Well I enjoy summarizing my notes, and it helps me to learn and remember.”

                              New boss: “Let me show you something I did in CoPilot.”

                              Ugh. Writing it myself helps me LEARN and REMEMBER. Why are these AI zombies so intent on changing a process that is helpful to me? Feeding notes through CoPilot won’t benefit me when it’s the act of writing that works for me.

                              zombiecide@polyglot.cityZ This user is from outside of this forum
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                              wrote last edited by
                              #41

                              @VeeRat
                              Sometimes I think of this story about the early bronze age, when bronze tools were traded along the then trade hubs. That archeologists found a site from people who didn't have their own bronze technology yet, who owned one bronze axe, and several wood replicas.

                              I think of this story, and feel a bit relieved that at least, it's not just us living now.

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                              • veerat@zeroes.caV veerat@zeroes.ca

                                Sigh.

                                New boss: “You’re good at writing notes.”

                                Me: “Thank you, it helps me to remember so I have been writing summaries for many years.”

                                New boss: “You should try CoPilot and see what it can do.”

                                Me: “Well I enjoy summarizing my notes, and it helps me to learn and remember.”

                                New boss: “Let me show you something I did in CoPilot.”

                                Ugh. Writing it myself helps me LEARN and REMEMBER. Why are these AI zombies so intent on changing a process that is helpful to me? Feeding notes through CoPilot won’t benefit me when it’s the act of writing that works for me.

                                leathekd@hachyderm.ioL This user is from outside of this forum
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                                leathekd@hachyderm.io
                                wrote last edited by
                                #42

                                @VeeRat But why do you need learning and remembering when you have AI? /s

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                                • veerat@zeroes.caV veerat@zeroes.ca

                                  Sigh.

                                  New boss: “You’re good at writing notes.”

                                  Me: “Thank you, it helps me to remember so I have been writing summaries for many years.”

                                  New boss: “You should try CoPilot and see what it can do.”

                                  Me: “Well I enjoy summarizing my notes, and it helps me to learn and remember.”

                                  New boss: “Let me show you something I did in CoPilot.”

                                  Ugh. Writing it myself helps me LEARN and REMEMBER. Why are these AI zombies so intent on changing a process that is helpful to me? Feeding notes through CoPilot won’t benefit me when it’s the act of writing that works for me.

                                  tamarasellman@social.seattle.wa.usT This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  tamarasellman@social.seattle.wa.us
                                  wrote last edited by
                                  #43

                                  @VeeRat there's actual science to support the eye-hand coordination of writing that supports memory and learning. AI is going to melt people's brains into jelly if we don't stop it.

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                                  • n01100010@zeroes.caN n01100010@zeroes.ca

                                    @VeeRat "AI zombies" is the best description I've heard in a while. It says it all.

                                    yetzt@social.yetzt.meY This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    #44

                                    @N01100010 @VeeRat slopotomized ai zombies.

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                                    • petrillic@hachyderm.ioP petrillic@hachyderm.io

                                      @VeeRat I had to explain to someone that the act of taking the notes is 99% if the value for me. I almost never actually go back and read them. For me also, paper is better than electronic.

                                      But also zombies.

                                      noodlemaz@mstdn.gamesN This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      wrote last edited by
                                      #45

                                      @petrillic @VeeRat I do look stuff up in my notes all the time so I do electronic, can't search physical notebooks for a phrase or whatever. But totally get the value of handwriting for memory.

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                                      • yetzt@social.yetzt.meY yetzt@social.yetzt.me

                                        @N01100010 @VeeRat slopotomized ai zombies.

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                                        #46

                                        @yetzt Underrated toot.

                                        @N01100010 @VeeRat

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                                        • noodlemaz@mstdn.gamesN noodlemaz@mstdn.games

                                          @petrillic @VeeRat I do look stuff up in my notes all the time so I do electronic, can't search physical notebooks for a phrase or whatever. But totally get the value of handwriting for memory.

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                                          wrote last edited by
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                                          @noodlemaz @VeeRat note taking is a super personal thing, because it's deeply linked into how our brains work

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