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  3. It feels like such a waste to have energy from the sun beaming down on us (well, occasionally; I live in England), but not to have solar panels and batteries deployed widely, to capture it.

It feels like such a waste to have energy from the sun beaming down on us (well, occasionally; I live in England), but not to have solar panels and batteries deployed widely, to capture it.

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  • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

    It feels like such a waste to have energy from the sun beaming down on us (well, occasionally; I live in England), but not to have solar panels and batteries deployed widely, to capture it.

    But while the prices are still so high, they remain unaffordable to many, and it would also seem unfair if any advantage in terms of state funding was only felt by those who can own a home.

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    @neil More community solar (and wind/other renewables) would be fantastic. Would love it if blocks of flats could get solar installations retrofitted on their roofs more easily, and have the benefits accrue to residents and local community.

    (The ongoing leasehold/commonhold reform proposals might be an opening for this.)

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    • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

      It feels like such a waste to have energy from the sun beaming down on us (well, occasionally; I live in England), but not to have solar panels and batteries deployed widely, to capture it.

      But while the prices are still so high, they remain unaffordable to many, and it would also seem unfair if any advantage in terms of state funding was only felt by those who can own a home.

      mactonex@toot.communityM This user is from outside of this forum
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      @neil I would like to see the government buy a few hundred million solar panels and put them on every house in the country that can take them, for free. Throw in a battery and an air sourced heat pump as well. Let people use the electric for free, and buy back the surplus. Start with the poorest households, then move onto businesses, factories, solar canopies over car parks etc. The long term savings would be enormous.

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      • chris@abraham.suC chris@abraham.su

        @neil I mean, you just mentioned the big issue with UK solar.

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        @chris Some days are better than others?

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        • mactonex@toot.communityM mactonex@toot.community

          @neil I would like to see the government buy a few hundred million solar panels and put them on every house in the country that can take them, for free. Throw in a battery and an air sourced heat pump as well. Let people use the electric for free, and buy back the surplus. Start with the poorest households, then move onto businesses, factories, solar canopies over car parks etc. The long term savings would be enormous.

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          @Mactonex @neil Even better than buying them - make a nationally owned solar manufacturer, then once the fab pipeline is built and our needs delivered, other countries that are late to the game can buy panels and expertise from us.

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          • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

            It feels like such a waste to have energy from the sun beaming down on us (well, occasionally; I live in England), but not to have solar panels and batteries deployed widely, to capture it.

            But while the prices are still so high, they remain unaffordable to many, and it would also seem unfair if any advantage in terms of state funding was only felt by those who can own a home.

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            @neil the more solar the cheaper electricity prices will become. Especially in the middle of the day. I'm on Octopus Agile tariff and get really cheap electricity on the sunny and windy days.

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            • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

              It feels like such a waste to have energy from the sun beaming down on us (well, occasionally; I live in England), but not to have solar panels and batteries deployed widely, to capture it.

              But while the prices are still so high, they remain unaffordable to many, and it would also seem unfair if any advantage in terms of state funding was only felt by those who can own a home.

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              @neil I think there's some councils fitting solar to council houses, so that does help others as well. Still subsidising can help all - it lowers the amount that needs to be generated, making it less likely to be burning gas, thus lowering everyones prices. It particularly helps with aircon use as well since aircon and solar tend to happen at similar times.

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              • lonm@social.vivaldi.netL lonm@social.vivaldi.net

                @Mactonex @neil Even better than buying them - make a nationally owned solar manufacturer, then once the fab pipeline is built and our needs delivered, other countries that are late to the game can buy panels and expertise from us.

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                @LonM @neil good idea, that would take a couple of years at least, so in the meantime we could buy a few million in and get started while we build manufacturing capacity. We would probably be limited in what we could install by the number of installers available. Need to train them up too.

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                • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

                  It feels like such a waste to have energy from the sun beaming down on us (well, occasionally; I live in England), but not to have solar panels and batteries deployed widely, to capture it.

                  But while the prices are still so high, they remain unaffordable to many, and it would also seem unfair if any advantage in terms of state funding was only felt by those who can own a home.

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                  @neil For a decent amount of time today solar covered more than 50% of the electricity usage in Denmark. The potential is huge.

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                  • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

                    It feels like such a waste to have energy from the sun beaming down on us (well, occasionally; I live in England), but not to have solar panels and batteries deployed widely, to capture it.

                    But while the prices are still so high, they remain unaffordable to many, and it would also seem unfair if any advantage in terms of state funding was only felt by those who can own a home.

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                    @neil It also seems unfair that fee-charging schools can probably afford to buy solar panels as well, whilst publicly-funded schools struggle (my former high school has an enormous roof area which seems ripe for generation to offset power consumption, and during the summer would actually export a lot since there are no kids around).

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                    • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

                      It feels like such a waste to have energy from the sun beaming down on us (well, occasionally; I live in England), but not to have solar panels and batteries deployed widely, to capture it.

                      But while the prices are still so high, they remain unaffordable to many, and it would also seem unfair if any advantage in terms of state funding was only felt by those who can own a home.

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                      @neil The wholesale cost of solar panels is about £85 each.

                      The installation cost has not dropped to reflect the reduction in cost of materials. Councils could definitely get that price down by using their own installers. There doesn't seem to be much will to do it though.

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