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SELF-PUBLISHED AUTHOR FRIENDSThis *INSANE* email from Barnes & Noble WTF—no more than 100 books and they start deleting??—removing titles that don't meet minimum sales?

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  • susankayequinn@wandering.shopS susankayequinn@wandering.shop

    @mwl

    writers: a notoriously sane bunch
    self-published writers: writers but without the rules

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    @susankayequinn @mwl this really fucks with honest authors that actually have a lot of good output!

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    • kaidenshi@exquisite.socialK kaidenshi@exquisite.social

      @susankayequinn It seems so self-contradictory to me. "You can only have 100 titles, if you try to have more than that we will delete titles. Also you better keep your sales up or we will also delete titles, causing your sales to drop, causing us to delete more titles."

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      @kaidenshi
      IT.IS.INSANE

      I halfway think this "new policy" was written by AI

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      • kkarhan@jorts.horseK kkarhan@jorts.horse

        @susankayequinn @mwl this really fucks with honest authors that actually have a lot of good output!

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        @kkarhan @mwl

        and adds insult to injury given that a bunch of the titles they would delete were stolen by AI corps to feed into the slop machine

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        • susankayequinn@wandering.shopS susankayequinn@wandering.shop

          SELF-PUBLISHED AUTHOR FRIENDS
          This *INSANE* email from Barnes & Noble WTF
          —no more than 100 books and they start deleting??
          —removing titles that don't meet minimum sales?

          What the hell? I've been publishing since 2011... I have 145 titles.

          AI deluge screwing us but still...it's war on indies.

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          the injury of indie authors being shoved off platforms because AI is sucking up all the storage space after the insult of those very works being stolen by AI corps to feed their slop machine

          (D2D and B&N both)

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          • susankayequinn@wandering.shopS susankayequinn@wandering.shop

            SELF-PUBLISHED AUTHOR FRIENDS
            This *INSANE* email from Barnes & Noble WTF
            —no more than 100 books and they start deleting??
            —removing titles that don't meet minimum sales?

            What the hell? I've been publishing since 2011... I have 145 titles.

            AI deluge screwing us but still...it's war on indies.

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            @susankayequinn *sigh* And after I finally, after more than 10 years, got off my butt to load books on B&N. Not sure it's even worth the effort to continue if they're going to pull nonsense like this. >.>

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            • susankayequinn@wandering.shopS susankayequinn@wandering.shop

              SELF-PUBLISHED AUTHOR FRIENDS
              This *INSANE* email from Barnes & Noble WTF
              —no more than 100 books and they start deleting??
              —removing titles that don't meet minimum sales?

              What the hell? I've been publishing since 2011... I have 145 titles.

              AI deluge screwing us but still...it's war on indies.

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              @susankayequinn

              Well that's Asimov's catalog fecked right to the curb.

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              • susankayequinn@wandering.shopS susankayequinn@wandering.shop

                the injury of indie authors being shoved off platforms because AI is sucking up all the storage space after the insult of those very works being stolen by AI corps to feed their slop machine

                (D2D and B&N both)

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                @susankayequinn That frustration is very real for many indie authors right now 😕
                It raises serious questions about platform priorities, fair access, and how creative work is being used in the AI era.

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                • johntimaeus@infosec.exchangeJ johntimaeus@infosec.exchange

                  @susankayequinn

                  Well that's Asimov's catalog fecked right to the curb.

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                  @johntimaeus oh no it only applies to self-published authors! you know, the people who simultaneously don't count and account for a huge chunk of their ebook sales. Especially indies with over 100 titles!

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                  • susankayequinn@wandering.shopS susankayequinn@wandering.shop

                    SELF-PUBLISHED AUTHOR FRIENDS
                    This *INSANE* email from Barnes & Noble WTF
                    —no more than 100 books and they start deleting??
                    —removing titles that don't meet minimum sales?

                    What the hell? I've been publishing since 2011... I have 145 titles.

                    AI deluge screwing us but still...it's war on indies.

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                    @susankayequinn What the, and I can't stress this enough, actual fuck?!

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                    • susankayequinn@wandering.shopS susankayequinn@wandering.shop

                      the injury of indie authors being shoved off platforms because AI is sucking up all the storage space after the insult of those very works being stolen by AI corps to feed their slop machine

                      (D2D and B&N both)

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                      @susankayequinn this is going to suck since I earn nowhere close to the $100 and I suck at marketing myself

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                      • miswiredke@toot.communityM miswiredke@toot.community

                        @susankayequinn this is going to suck since I earn nowhere close to the $100 and I suck at marketing myself

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                        @MisWiredKE I am outraged so much about this -- both B&N and D2D but D2D literally built their entire business on indies but they're really no better than the average scammer out there now

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                          @kaidenshi B&N has also *always* been very biased against indies, and of course very corporate-driven. I was hoping they'd be a bulwark against Amazon but NOPE

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                          • susankayequinn@wandering.shopS susankayequinn@wandering.shop

                            the injury of indie authors being shoved off platforms because AI is sucking up all the storage space after the insult of those very works being stolen by AI corps to feed their slop machine

                            (D2D and B&N both)

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                            @susankayequinn

                            I just sent email to D2D about this. I find it especially galling that they are making those earning the least pay for those who make more money on their system.

                            Why not make it a subscription system if they need money so badly? That would be more honest.

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                            • firlefanz@writing.exchangeF firlefanz@writing.exchange

                              @susankayequinn

                              I just sent email to D2D about this. I find it especially galling that they are making those earning the least pay for those who make more money on their system.

                              Why not make it a subscription system if they need money so badly? That would be more honest.

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                              @Firlefanz IDK about subscription (I loathe those generally) but you're right, it's very much punishing small authors, first-time authors, authors in lower-selling genres, etc. And it's just NUTS in terms of the longevity of their business as well. Sure, go ahead, absolutely STOP COLD any new authors from trying out this self-publishing thing to see if they can make a go of it and MAKE ALL YOUR FUTURE REVENUE. It's 100% corporate short-term bullshit mindset. They should be ashamed.

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                              • susankayequinn@wandering.shopS susankayequinn@wandering.shop

                                @Firlefanz IDK about subscription (I loathe those generally) but you're right, it's very much punishing small authors, first-time authors, authors in lower-selling genres, etc. And it's just NUTS in terms of the longevity of their business as well. Sure, go ahead, absolutely STOP COLD any new authors from trying out this self-publishing thing to see if they can make a go of it and MAKE ALL YOUR FUTURE REVENUE. It's 100% corporate short-term bullshit mindset. They should be ashamed.

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                                @susankayequinn

                                I agree.

                                They should be ASHAMED.

                                I use them for everything except Amazon and Google Play Store. I was so happy they finally finagled that contract with Bookshop.org.

                                And now this. It's so depressing.

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                                • firlefanz@writing.exchangeF firlefanz@writing.exchange

                                  @susankayequinn

                                  I agree.

                                  They should be ASHAMED.

                                  I use them for everything except Amazon and Google Play Store. I was so happy they finally finagled that contract with Bookshop.org.

                                  And now this. It's so depressing.

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                                  @Firlefanz I *only* use them for Bookshop but if I was in your position, I would stop distributing your books through them (except for Bookshop) and go direct everywhere. And tell them. You're not going to support them with your sales if they're going to turn their backs on indies like this.

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                                  • mwl@io.mwl.ioM mwl@io.mwl.io

                                    @susankayequinn

                                    "sane people wouldn't publish more than 100 books."

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                                    @mwl @susankayequinn I enjoyed a marketing preso by a young author with over 100 titles on Amazon just this weekend. Authors need to produce that much to stay afloat.

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                                    • susankayequinn@wandering.shopS susankayequinn@wandering.shop

                                      @Firlefanz I *only* use them for Bookshop but if I was in your position, I would stop distributing your books through them (except for Bookshop) and go direct everywhere. And tell them. You're not going to support them with your sales if they're going to turn their backs on indies like this.

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                                      @susankayequinn

                                      I use them for *everything* except Google and Amazon.

                                      I *can* set up directly with Kobo and Tolino, but that's about it.

                                      B&N demands a US checking account.
                                      Apple demands a freaking Apple computer.

                                      I *just* started using them for print through IngramSpark.

                                      I am so freaking disappointed in Draft2Digital. I used to recommend them everywhere. I will no longer do that. (Yes, I told them that, too.)

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                                      • firlefanz@writing.exchangeF firlefanz@writing.exchange

                                        @susankayequinn

                                        I use them for *everything* except Google and Amazon.

                                        I *can* set up directly with Kobo and Tolino, but that's about it.

                                        B&N demands a US checking account.
                                        Apple demands a freaking Apple computer.

                                        I *just* started using them for print through IngramSpark.

                                        I am so freaking disappointed in Draft2Digital. I used to recommend them everywhere. I will no longer do that. (Yes, I told them that, too.)

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                                        @Firlefanz You should be able to go direct to IngramSpark (although I honestly don't know if it works for authors outside the US). B&N I understand -- they're a pain. Apple has long been that way, although I think there's a workaround now that doesn't require a Mac (I still use a Mac but I think the need for that went away a while ago): https://www.indiepublishinggroup.com/complete-guide-to-self-publishing-on-apple-books-for-authors/

                                        (Kobo direct also allows you to apply for their promo and distribute to libraries)

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                                        • susankayequinn@wandering.shopS susankayequinn@wandering.shop

                                          @Firlefanz You should be able to go direct to IngramSpark (although I honestly don't know if it works for authors outside the US). B&N I understand -- they're a pain. Apple has long been that way, although I think there's a workaround now that doesn't require a Mac (I still use a Mac but I think the need for that went away a while ago): https://www.indiepublishinggroup.com/complete-guide-to-self-publishing-on-apple-books-for-authors/

                                          (Kobo direct also allows you to apply for their promo and distribute to libraries)

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                                          @susankayequinn

                                          Yeah. I actually do sell the odd book on B&N. *sigh*

                                          Biggest sales channel on D2D for me is Apple.

                                          It's very good to know that Kobo distributes to libraries, though, that might actually convince me to go direct with them.

                                          Funny enough, Google Play Store is now doing best for me.

                                          So for now, I'll probably grit my teeth and stay on D2D, but it's high time we Indies team up and build our own sales platform.

                                          And then D2D can forget their business.

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