’Denmark Switches.’ A national campaign to collectively move off Big Tech.
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@riggbeck @CiaraNi @hanktank61 @donaldham
I tried to use them exactly once. I was planning on tacking a visit to Boston onto a trip to New York to visit folks at MIT and Harvard. The little hotel a colleague recommended that was about half way between the two was full, but I found a place on AirBnB nearby and placed the booking. My flight was due in late, so I wasn’t going to get to the place before 11pm. I sent them a message to confirm the late arrival process a couple of days before departure.
They told me I’d cancelled my booking.
I told them I hadn’t and asked them to reinstate it.
They told me they’d already rented the room to someone else.
I contacted AirBnB support and they told me the card had been declined. Rather than asking me for an alternate means of payment or even telling me, they’d silently cancelled the booking.
If I hadn’t contacted the host, I wouldn’t have known and would have turned up at 11pm with nowhere to stay.
At that late time, only one hotel had space left, was on the wrong side of the river (would have needed taxis to get to the places I needed to be) and it was charging $750/night. It ended up being cheaper to cancel that leg of the trip entirely.
Shortly after that, the university’s travel insurance announced that they would not cover AirBnB. A lot of my colleagues complained but I fully understood why.
@david_chisnall @riggbeck @CiaraNi @donaldham
And : Searching on mentioned sites with Linux > Safe Browser > anonyme without logging in is great.
And then looking for direct contact options.
No pestering with advertising mails etc.
( Same way for using YT
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@riggbeck @CiaraNi @hanktank61 @donaldham
I tried to use them exactly once. I was planning on tacking a visit to Boston onto a trip to New York to visit folks at MIT and Harvard. The little hotel a colleague recommended that was about half way between the two was full, but I found a place on AirBnB nearby and placed the booking. My flight was due in late, so I wasn’t going to get to the place before 11pm. I sent them a message to confirm the late arrival process a couple of days before departure.
They told me I’d cancelled my booking.
I told them I hadn’t and asked them to reinstate it.
They told me they’d already rented the room to someone else.
I contacted AirBnB support and they told me the card had been declined. Rather than asking me for an alternate means of payment or even telling me, they’d silently cancelled the booking.
If I hadn’t contacted the host, I wouldn’t have known and would have turned up at 11pm with nowhere to stay.
At that late time, only one hotel had space left, was on the wrong side of the river (would have needed taxis to get to the places I needed to be) and it was charging $750/night. It ended up being cheaper to cancel that leg of the trip entirely.
Shortly after that, the university’s travel insurance announced that they would not cover AirBnB. A lot of my colleagues complained but I fully understood why.
@david_chisnall That seems to be a common AirBnB experience. Commercial accommodation, more unreliable and unregulated
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@CiaraNi That's even a rather big step! Am still moving slowly in regard to payment, so your success is inspiring.
@borisentiu @CiaraNi Why is paypal so popular in Germany? I hardly ever used it before moving here, and now many webshops only have paypal checkout, and people collect money for presents and return those few euros they borrowed for lunch through paypal (granted, Revolut I am used to is not great either, waiting for Wero to take off).
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I stopped using Booking.com ages ago, tired of the spam and Big Corporateness of it. Now I only book directly with hotels. Every time, it's cheaper and the experience is better. If I need to contact a hotel, I communicate with a human. When I needed to make a date change not covered by the booking: 'no problem!' They changed it instantly for free. I'd forgotten how actual customer service used to be. I also forgot to actually delete my account. #DanmarkSkifter reminded me. I just deleted it.
@CiaraNi I’ve been doing the same. However, when a hotel requires me to create an account to book for that one time I will ever stay with them, I pass.
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@CiaraNi maybe 'User Rebellion'. Your post is great food for thought. Semantics can make or break a defining a movement.
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@borisentiu @CiaraNi Why is paypal so popular in Germany? I hardly ever used it before moving here, and now many webshops only have paypal checkout, and people collect money for presents and return those few euros they borrowed for lunch through paypal (granted, Revolut I am used to is not great either, waiting for Wero to take off).
@rhelune @borisentiu I didn't know that PayPal was so dominant there. People keep recommending Revolut to me but I am trying to shed apps so I don't want new ones. Cash and card is fine when I'm travelling, although it's frustrating in somewhere like London where they've normalised refusing cash and you end up paying a conversion fee for using a credit card for some small purchase.
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@CiaraNi I’ve been doing the same. However, when a hotel requires me to create an account to book for that one time I will ever stay with them, I pass.
@hvdsomp That's a good line to draw. Too much of our data is being hoovered up for reasons entirely unconnected from the purchase or booking.
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@rhelune @Nead Great point. Disenshittification is absolutely an environmental movement. Among other things, the process of disentangling myself from Big Tech products made me realise how much I was hoarding digitally. I've been purging and deleting like nobody's business and it's been a pleasure to do. Like weeding a garden.
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@borisentiu @CiaraNi Why is paypal so popular in Germany? I hardly ever used it before moving here, and now many webshops only have paypal checkout, and people collect money for presents and return those few euros they borrowed for lunch through paypal (granted, Revolut I am used to is not great either, waiting for Wero to take off).
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@rhelune @borisentiu I didn't know that PayPal was so dominant there. People keep recommending Revolut to me but I am trying to shed apps so I don't want new ones. Cash and card is fine when I'm travelling, although it's frustrating in somewhere like London where they've normalised refusing cash and you end up paying a conversion fee for using a credit card for some small purchase.
@CiaraNi @borisentiu I only have Revolut virtual card in my Google Pay and I transfer small amounts to my Revolut account. I am testing GrapheneOS on another phone, and Google Pay does not work on it, so I will have to switch to Curve Pay (honestly my health insurance app not working on GrapheneOS is the biggest obstacle to switching completely).
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@CiaraNi @borisentiu I only have Revolut virtual card in my Google Pay and I transfer small amounts to my Revolut account. I am testing GrapheneOS on another phone, and Google Pay does not work on it, so I will have to switch to Curve Pay (honestly my health insurance app not working on GrapheneOS is the biggest obstacle to switching completely).
@rhelune @borisentiu It all got so complicated, didn't it.
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