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  • signalapp@mastodon.worldS signalapp@mastodon.world

    For the time being, please stay vigilant against phishing and account takeover attempts. Remember that no one from Signal Support will ever send you a message request or ask for your registration verification code or Signal PIN. For an added layer of protection, you can enable Registration Lock in your Signal Settings (Account -> Registration Lock). 8/

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    @signalapp I am trying to work out why Registration Lock is not on by default. In particular, why would you be able to set a PIN and not set Registration Lock? I can imagine a use case where someone didn't want a PIN at all, though that shouldn't be the default in a secure messaging app. But why PIN and no lock?

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    • davep@infosec.exchangeD davep@infosec.exchange

      @ahltorp @jtb @signalapp Indeed

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      @davep @ahltorp @jtb Typically, I'd agree. But these accounts are some of the highest politicians in Germany. I don't believe it's unreasonable to hold them to higher standards than the average user. They handle confidential stuff. Their decisions and actions concern tens of millions of people.

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      • stairjoke@indieweb.socialS stairjoke@indieweb.social

        @nuk3 @signalapp I wonder what issue they have with Matrix?! They could just spin up their own sever.

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        @stairjoke

        As far as I know, the Bundeswehr already uses matrix 😀

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        • signalapp@mastodon.worldS signalapp@mastodon.world

          A response to recent reporting in Germany, in service of clarity and accountability:

          First, it’s important to be precise when it comes to critical infrastructure like Signal. Signal was not “hacked” — in that our encryption, infrastructure, and the integrity of the app’s code was not compromised. 1/

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          #88

          @signalapp

          i've not seen the reporting

          is it the german gov targeting anti-genocide voices?

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          • claudius@darmstadt.socialC claudius@darmstadt.social

            @davep @ahltorp @jtb Typically, I'd agree. But these accounts are some of the highest politicians in Germany. I don't believe it's unreasonable to hold them to higher standards than the average user. They handle confidential stuff. Their decisions and actions concern tens of millions of people.

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            @claudius @davep @ahltorp @jtb have you seen German politicians talk?

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            • N nuk3@mastodon.online

              @stairjoke

              As far as I know, the Bundeswehr already uses matrix 😀

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              @nuk3 @stairjoke yes the BwMessenger and then there is also the BundesMessenger which is based on that.

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              • yetzt@social.yetzt.meY yetzt@social.yetzt.me

                @energisch_ @signalapp with e2ee?

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                #91

                @yetzt rather automatically Block any accountname with Signal & Support in it?
                @signalapp

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                • earthorguk@mastodon.energyE earthorguk@mastodon.energy

                  @jtb @stagerabbit @ahltorp @davep @signalapp Banks and others regularly call me up and ask me to identify myself to them, ie give the unknown caller my credentials. And cannot see the problem in training their customers to comply.

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                  @EarthOrgUK @jtb @ahltorp @davep @signalapp Both my life insurance company and my overseas bank want me to send copies of my passport and proof of address over unencrypted email. When I complain, they say I should password protect the file and send the password in a separate unencrypted email to the same address.

                  Even if I find a way to send it securely, based on this, I doubt they store it securely.

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                  • stagerabbit@famichiki.jpS stagerabbit@famichiki.jp

                    @EarthOrgUK @jtb @ahltorp @davep @signalapp Both my life insurance company and my overseas bank want me to send copies of my passport and proof of address over unencrypted email. When I complain, they say I should password protect the file and send the password in a separate unencrypted email to the same address.

                    Even if I find a way to send it securely, based on this, I doubt they store it securely.

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                    @EarthOrgUK @jtb @ahltorp @davep @signalapp And they've locked my account for KYC reasons until I do it. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

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                    • gokushrm@mastodon.socialG gokushrm@mastodon.social

                      @MFennVT @signalapp uncheck pin reminder in setting accounts.

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                      @GOKUSHRM @MFennVT @signalapp why would you want to do that?

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                      • signalapp@mastodon.worldS signalapp@mastodon.world

                        For the time being, please stay vigilant against phishing and account takeover attempts. Remember that no one from Signal Support will ever send you a message request or ask for your registration verification code or Signal PIN. For an added layer of protection, you can enable Registration Lock in your Signal Settings (Account -> Registration Lock). 8/

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                        @signalapp what about a "government mode" which needs a second account to be involved to do these things.
                        Of course it needs to be set up, which is then not done by politicians because too cumbersome.

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                        • chisop@todon.euC chisop@todon.eu

                          @GOKUSHRM @MFennVT @signalapp why would you want to do that?

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                          #96

                          @chisop @MFennVT @signalapp to avoid pop-up box

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                          • jtb@toot.walesJ jtb@toot.wales

                            @stagerabbit @ahltorp @davep @signalapp ok i withdraw my remark as I didn't see the dialog. If it said "verify pin" someone might have done that without thinking

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                            @jtb @stagerabbit @ahltorp @davep @signalapp You still get those bona fide people on the phone who ask 'can you confirm your ...' (dob, account number, whatever), who then expect you to *give* them the detail for them to check. So it's not surprising that people can be tricked into 'confirming' online.

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                            • stagerabbit@famichiki.jpS stagerabbit@famichiki.jp

                              @EarthOrgUK @jtb @ahltorp @davep @signalapp Both my life insurance company and my overseas bank want me to send copies of my passport and proof of address over unencrypted email. When I complain, they say I should password protect the file and send the password in a separate unencrypted email to the same address.

                              Even if I find a way to send it securely, based on this, I doubt they store it securely.

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                              @stagerabbit @EarthOrgUK @jtb @ahltorp @signalapp
                              That is awful practice.

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                              • davep@infosec.exchangeD davep@infosec.exchange

                                @stagerabbit @EarthOrgUK @jtb @ahltorp @signalapp
                                That is awful practice.

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                                @davep @EarthOrgUK @jtb @ahltorp @signalapp We're talking about the sector that holds our life savings and limits passwords to 8-12 alpha numeric characters and until recently no form of 2FA. Not sure why this surprises you. (If this isn't the case elsewhere, it's still the case in Japan, where I live. Not super impressed by my Canadian banks either, tbh.)

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                                • stagerabbit@famichiki.jpS stagerabbit@famichiki.jp

                                  @davep @EarthOrgUK @jtb @ahltorp @signalapp We're talking about the sector that holds our life savings and limits passwords to 8-12 alpha numeric characters and until recently no form of 2FA. Not sure why this surprises you. (If this isn't the case elsewhere, it's still the case in Japan, where I live. Not super impressed by my Canadian banks either, tbh.)

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                                  @stagerabbit @EarthOrgUK @jtb @ahltorp @signalapp
                                  At least I had to physically go to my local post office to activate my digital identity here in France.

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                                  • signalapp@mastodon.worldS signalapp@mastodon.world

                                    A response to recent reporting in Germany, in service of clarity and accountability:

                                    First, it’s important to be precise when it comes to critical infrastructure like Signal. Signal was not “hacked” — in that our encryption, infrastructure, and the integrity of the app’s code was not compromised. 1/

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                                    Is there any OFFICIAL statement in GERMAN?

                                    @signalapp

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                                    • signalapp@mastodon.worldS signalapp@mastodon.world

                                      For the time being, please stay vigilant against phishing and account takeover attempts. Remember that no one from Signal Support will ever send you a message request or ask for your registration verification code or Signal PIN. For an added layer of protection, you can enable Registration Lock in your Signal Settings (Account -> Registration Lock). 8/

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                                      @signalapp
                                      If you want to do everything you can to help people avoid and detect Signal Support scams, then please stop disguising your Signal communication and advertisment among my Signal Chats, like in my screenshot I attach here.

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                                      • ax11@mastodon.socialA ax11@mastodon.social

                                        @skaphle @olliausstuhr @signalapp @Chantology
                                        Nice strawman, but I did not claim any immunity against scams. I explicitely said, I just don't had the influence to frame it as a hack, if it happened.

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                                        @ax11 @signalapp My comment was more directed towards @Chantology and @olliausstuhr who joked about the technical incompetence of the government, somewhat smugly, or so I read it.

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                                        • spaetzlegrab@mastodon.bayernS spaetzlegrab@mastodon.bayern

                                          Is there any OFFICIAL statement in GERMAN?

                                          @signalapp

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                                          @L⌐ "SpätzleGrab™",8,1 WHY SHOULD THERE BE?
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