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@hyperreal @lea @marialeal @woe2you since it's originally a Twitter post, here:
xcancel.com/andyyen/status/1864436449942110660@asm @lea @marialeal @woe2you I can't argue with that, and I was already aware of that Twitter post, but you made it sound like it was a general pattern of behavior among Proton employees. I don't know what else Andy Yen has posted in praise of fascists, but I don't think it's fair to act like he's tantamount to the likes of DHH.
But, I accept your original point. Fair enough.
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@marialeal "We didn't steal it! We asked the magical plagiarism machine and that's what it came up with!"
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@elexia @marialeal sorry ben affleck, the last movie i saw in theaters was sorry to bother you.
@makesubarugayagain @elexia @marialeal caption with Damon was more fitting with the OP and thread...
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@hyperreal@tilde.zone @marialeal@social.vivaldi.net @asm@is.beeping.pet @woe2you@beige.party
They've also built ProtonVPN into the browser and users can use the free tier without a ProtonVPN account
i don't think cooperating with fascists is a selling point but you do you
@lea @marialeal @hyperreal @asm @woe2you Proton is NOT a fascist company. The tweet in question was written by the CEO, and it was about Gail Slater. She is focused on antitrust, which is unrelated to fascism, it's a good thing. The CEO never praised Trump's politic in general. There is an absolute lack of nuance.
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@lea @marialeal @hyperreal @asm @woe2you Proton is NOT a fascist company. The tweet in question was written by the CEO, and it was about Gail Slater. She is focused on antitrust, which is unrelated to fascism, it's a good thing. The CEO never praised Trump's politic in general. There is an absolute lack of nuance.
@BafS It can be argued that, as Slater is a Trump-appointed advisor, and affiliated with the Republican party and Fox Corporation, that she has effectively cooperated with fascists. Her track record on anti-trust speaks for itself. I don't know the extent to which she has influenced the Trump admin for the greater good or if she was just another lackey. Apparently she resigned from her position recently.
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(Happening rn on Threads)All they had to do to show good faith was switch this to off by default, like their community asked times and times again...
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Chromium isn't a monopoly. Firefox and other browsers exist. Chromium does have the majority market share, tho, and I agree this is on par with the forcing AI into everything problem.
IMO Vivaldi gets points for avoiding AI. Only 5% of the code base is proprietary and it's only the UI. 90% is open source Chromium base. Vivaldi is privacy-friendly to the extent that they don't use and sell your data for profit. They've also built ProtonVPN into the browser and users can use the free tier without a ProtonVPN account. I think Firefox is inherently more privacy-friendly because it's not Chromium-based, and has the container tabs feature which Chromium-based browsers sorely lack.
Zen, LibreWolf, and Waterfox are better Firefox skins if you want no-AI and more privacy-by-default settings, but they don't have mobile apps.
@hyperreal @asm @lea @marialeal It's as close to a monopoly as makes no difference. Firefox is a rounding error these days, even Edge has more users. The only thing in the market share stats that's hiding the true extent of the Chromium problem is Safari, which is a different problem all of its own.
Yes, Chromium is de jure open source but it's de facto a Google product, and that's a threat to the open web. They contribute the lion's share of dev time and funding and they dictate the direction of the project. Take the Manifest spec for example: the changes from v2 to v3 were specifically to neuter ad blockers. Effective ad blocking is a threat to Google's bottom line, so Google said frog and Chromium hopped, and all Chromium-based browsers are now more privacy hostile by design.
Firefox's soft forks are vulnerable to every piece of dipshittery that comes out of Mozilla. They have to spend time and resources unfucking things that Mozilla have fucked. Speaking of Mozilla, they also get a huge chunk of funding from Google, because that enables Google to point at them and say "look, Firefox is still around, we're not a monopoly".
The browser landscape is utterly fucked.
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@roy_calum Andy Yen has nothing to do with the Swiss state. I don't really know if what you're saying is true, but you could also say the same about U.S. and some Europeans companies. You can't tell me you don't use services from any of those. Seriously get a fucking grip.
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@lea @marialeal @asm @woe2you Proton is audited. They're not fascists. If you are basing this opinion on the Twitter post from the CEO, then you don't understand cryptography lol. They can't access your data.
@lea @marialeal @asm @woe2you @hyperreal i'd imagine the greater point of concern would be monetarily supporting individuals who would contribute to the rise of the modern far-right movement. this really isnt about the encryption
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@lea @marialeal @asm @woe2you @hyperreal i'd imagine the greater point of concern would be monetarily supporting individuals who would contribute to the rise of the modern far-right movement. this really isnt about the encryption
@hearts As I mentioned above, I don't think Andy Yen fits in the category of "individuals who would contribute to the rise of modern far-right movement."
If you show me a pattern of active overt support for fascism from Andy Yen, then I'd reconsider my opinion. The one Twitter post is hardly anything but praising the appointment of Slater, who has a clean track record on anti-trust despite being affiliated with the Republican party, and Yen saying it started under the first Trump admin. Maybe he's even reconsidered his own opinion about that since then.
As far as contributing the the rise of modern far-right movement in a consistent and meaningful way, I don't see that from Andy Yen.
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@BafS It can be argued that, as Slater is a Trump-appointed advisor, and affiliated with the Republican party and Fox Corporation, that she has effectively cooperated with fascists. Her track record on anti-trust speaks for itself. I don't know the extent to which she has influenced the Trump admin for the greater good or if she was just another lackey. Apparently she resigned from her position recently.
@hyperreal "Slater aligns with conservative antitrust views, advocating market competition against Big Tech monopolies without expanding regulation, as discussed in her interviews." that's why it was very interesting for Proton. Breaking big tech monopolies is great.
Recently she was pushed out after blocking deals favored by Trump allies and lobbyists.
I'm still trying to understand what is fascist about that, people love to throw words without actually reading or trying to understand what is going on.
US antitrust chief Gail Slater ousted from Trump justice department
Exclusive: Decision comes after Slater lost the support of JD Vance and Pam Bondi, the attorney general
the Guardian (www.theguardian.com)
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@hyperreal "Slater aligns with conservative antitrust views, advocating market competition against Big Tech monopolies without expanding regulation, as discussed in her interviews." that's why it was very interesting for Proton. Breaking big tech monopolies is great.
Recently she was pushed out after blocking deals favored by Trump allies and lobbyists.
I'm still trying to understand what is fascist about that, people love to throw words without actually reading or trying to understand what is going on.
US antitrust chief Gail Slater ousted from Trump justice department
Exclusive: Decision comes after Slater lost the support of JD Vance and Pam Bondi, the attorney general
the Guardian (www.theguardian.com)
@BafS You're not telling me anything I haven't already said or don't already know. Please mention the right person in your comments.
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Chromium isn't a monopoly. Firefox and other browsers exist. Chromium does have the majority market share, tho, and I agree this is on par with the forcing AI into everything problem.
IMO Vivaldi gets points for avoiding AI. Only 5% of the code base is proprietary and it's only the UI. 90% is open source Chromium base. Vivaldi is privacy-friendly to the extent that they don't use and sell your data for profit. They've also built ProtonVPN into the browser and users can use the free tier without a ProtonVPN account. I think Firefox is inherently more privacy-friendly because it's not Chromium-based, and has the container tabs feature which Chromium-based browsers sorely lack.
Zen, LibreWolf, and Waterfox are better Firefox skins if you want no-AI and more privacy-by-default settings, but they don't have mobile apps.
@hyperreal @woe2you @asm @lea @marialeal Other browser engines existing doesn't mean Chromium doesn't have a monopoly. Other desktop OSes existed when Microsoft was convicted of having a monopoly. Other search engines exist but Google was convicted of having a monopoly.
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@hyperreal @woe2you @asm @lea @marialeal Other browser engines existing doesn't mean Chromium doesn't have a monopoly. Other desktop OSes existed when Microsoft was convicted of having a monopoly. Other search engines exist but Google was convicted of having a monopoly.
@alahmnat @woe2you @asm @lea @marialeal The circumstances for those are vastly different. In the case of Google Search and Microsoft, they were effectively a monopoly for the average user -- they obscured the possibility and availability of alternatives.
In the case of web browsers, the possibility and availability of alternatives is not as obscured. Anecdotal: My mom knows about Firefox but still chooses to use Chrome / Edge. She's only heard of Linux because I'm her son lol, she otherwise would not know what it is and think Microsoft Windows is the only thing you can get. Marketing has a lot to do with this. You don't see commercials and ads for Linux in everyday normie life.
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@alahmnat @woe2you @asm @lea @marialeal The circumstances for those are vastly different. In the case of Google Search and Microsoft, they were effectively a monopoly for the average user -- they obscured the possibility and availability of alternatives.
In the case of web browsers, the possibility and availability of alternatives is not as obscured. Anecdotal: My mom knows about Firefox but still chooses to use Chrome / Edge. She's only heard of Linux because I'm her son lol, she otherwise would not know what it is and think Microsoft Windows is the only thing you can get. Marketing has a lot to do with this. You don't see commercials and ads for Linux in everyday normie life.
@alahmnat But anyway, my estimations could be wrong. Maybe the legal definition of monopoly is such that Chromium would qualify. Regardless, it does have way too much of the market share compared to alternatives when you include all Chromium-based browsers.
The official Google Chrome browser would only qualify IMO if it creates barriers to using alternatives, obscures the existence of alternatives, and/or invests money in doing those things to stifle competition. They've done that with Google Search, but I don't know if Chrome browser qualifies.
