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  3. This should be obvious for everyone by now, but if you're not from US you must assume that all your use of US AI services (#ChatGPT, #Claude, #Gemini etc) is fed directly to US intelligence services.

This should be obvious for everyone by now, but if you're not from US you must assume that all your use of US AI services (#ChatGPT, #Claude, #Gemini etc) is fed directly to US intelligence services.

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  • harrysintonen@infosec.exchangeH This user is from outside of this forum
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    This should be obvious for everyone by now, but if you're not from US you must assume that all your use of US AI services (#ChatGPT, #Claude, #Gemini etc) is fed directly to US intelligence services.

    "We may share your Personal Data, including information about your interaction with our Services, with government authorities ... in compliance with the law (i)" (OpenAI)

    "We may disclose personal data to governmental regulatory authorities as required by law" (Claude)

    "We will share personal information outside of Google ... to: Respond to any applicable law, regulation, legal process, or enforceable governmental request" (Gemini)

    The amount of valuable information fed to the systems voluntarily is staggering. It's not a matter of "if" it is happening, but "of course it is". It would be outright negligent if they weren’t capturing and disseminating it all.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_Intelligence_Surveillance_Act#Without_a_court_order
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_Intelligence_Surveillance_Act#Amendments

    #privacy

    harrysintonen@infosec.exchangeH kleisli@mastodon.socialK nicelymanifest@mastodon.socialN nf3xn@mastodon.socialN pattyhanson@mastodon.socialP 6 Replies Last reply
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    • harrysintonen@infosec.exchangeH harrysintonen@infosec.exchange

      This should be obvious for everyone by now, but if you're not from US you must assume that all your use of US AI services (#ChatGPT, #Claude, #Gemini etc) is fed directly to US intelligence services.

      "We may share your Personal Data, including information about your interaction with our Services, with government authorities ... in compliance with the law (i)" (OpenAI)

      "We may disclose personal data to governmental regulatory authorities as required by law" (Claude)

      "We will share personal information outside of Google ... to: Respond to any applicable law, regulation, legal process, or enforceable governmental request" (Gemini)

      The amount of valuable information fed to the systems voluntarily is staggering. It's not a matter of "if" it is happening, but "of course it is". It would be outright negligent if they weren’t capturing and disseminating it all.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_Intelligence_Surveillance_Act#Without_a_court_order
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_Intelligence_Surveillance_Act#Amendments

      #privacy

      harrysintonen@infosec.exchangeH This user is from outside of this forum
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      China is of course doing the same for any information fed to their online systems, for example DeepSeek.

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      • harrysintonen@infosec.exchangeH harrysintonen@infosec.exchange

        China is of course doing the same for any information fed to their online systems, for example DeepSeek.

        andrew@this.wplr.rocksA This user is from outside of this forum
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        @harrysintonen Wow, you can't even use DeepSeek anonymously.

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        • harrysintonen@infosec.exchangeH harrysintonen@infosec.exchange

          This should be obvious for everyone by now, but if you're not from US you must assume that all your use of US AI services (#ChatGPT, #Claude, #Gemini etc) is fed directly to US intelligence services.

          "We may share your Personal Data, including information about your interaction with our Services, with government authorities ... in compliance with the law (i)" (OpenAI)

          "We may disclose personal data to governmental regulatory authorities as required by law" (Claude)

          "We will share personal information outside of Google ... to: Respond to any applicable law, regulation, legal process, or enforceable governmental request" (Gemini)

          The amount of valuable information fed to the systems voluntarily is staggering. It's not a matter of "if" it is happening, but "of course it is". It would be outright negligent if they weren’t capturing and disseminating it all.

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_Intelligence_Surveillance_Act#Without_a_court_order
          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_Intelligence_Surveillance_Act#Amendments

          #privacy

          kleisli@mastodon.socialK This user is from outside of this forum
          kleisli@mastodon.socialK This user is from outside of this forum
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          @harrysintonen I assume every legally operated service is sharing data "in compliance with the law", also Mistral. The problem starts, when Donnie Trump is "the law" and/or when the company operates in a fascist country.

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          • kleisli@mastodon.socialK kleisli@mastodon.social

            @harrysintonen I assume every legally operated service is sharing data "in compliance with the law", also Mistral. The problem starts, when Donnie Trump is "the law" and/or when the company operates in a fascist country.

            harrysintonen@infosec.exchangeH This user is from outside of this forum
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            @kleisli That is the only safe assumption, indeed. My self-hosting helps to a degree: https://infosec.exchange/@harrysintonen/115916299816297773

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            • harrysintonen@infosec.exchangeH harrysintonen@infosec.exchange

              @kleisli That is the only safe assumption, indeed. My self-hosting helps to a degree: https://infosec.exchange/@harrysintonen/115916299816297773

              kleisli@mastodon.socialK This user is from outside of this forum
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              @harrysintonen Unless you have a server in your basement or you have encrypted all data, it doesn't protect your data from the authorities, because also hosting providers will hand over data "in compliance with the law". This is not a bad thing per se, it depends on the law what your country is considering a crime.

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              • kleisli@mastodon.socialK kleisli@mastodon.social

                @harrysintonen Unless you have a server in your basement or you have encrypted all data, it doesn't protect your data from the authorities, because also hosting providers will hand over data "in compliance with the law". This is not a bad thing per se, it depends on the law what your country is considering a crime.

                harrysintonen@infosec.exchangeH This user is from outside of this forum
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                @kleisli Everything is encrypted of course. Some services are in my basement, too. Also encrypted.

                Authorities have permission to install technical listening devices of course, but that requires permissions from courts, and suspicion of extremely serious crimes, such as terrorism. It seems quite unlikely that the local system would ever be perverted in a way that this could be abused.

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                • harrysintonen@infosec.exchangeH harrysintonen@infosec.exchange

                  This should be obvious for everyone by now, but if you're not from US you must assume that all your use of US AI services (#ChatGPT, #Claude, #Gemini etc) is fed directly to US intelligence services.

                  "We may share your Personal Data, including information about your interaction with our Services, with government authorities ... in compliance with the law (i)" (OpenAI)

                  "We may disclose personal data to governmental regulatory authorities as required by law" (Claude)

                  "We will share personal information outside of Google ... to: Respond to any applicable law, regulation, legal process, or enforceable governmental request" (Gemini)

                  The amount of valuable information fed to the systems voluntarily is staggering. It's not a matter of "if" it is happening, but "of course it is". It would be outright negligent if they weren’t capturing and disseminating it all.

                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_Intelligence_Surveillance_Act#Without_a_court_order
                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_Intelligence_Surveillance_Act#Amendments

                  #privacy

                  nicelymanifest@mastodon.socialN This user is from outside of this forum
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                  @harrysintonen As I have said too often, Capitalism in its cancer phase will exploit rather than serve people on its path to destroying the public host ...

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                  • harrysintonen@infosec.exchangeH harrysintonen@infosec.exchange

                    This should be obvious for everyone by now, but if you're not from US you must assume that all your use of US AI services (#ChatGPT, #Claude, #Gemini etc) is fed directly to US intelligence services.

                    "We may share your Personal Data, including information about your interaction with our Services, with government authorities ... in compliance with the law (i)" (OpenAI)

                    "We may disclose personal data to governmental regulatory authorities as required by law" (Claude)

                    "We will share personal information outside of Google ... to: Respond to any applicable law, regulation, legal process, or enforceable governmental request" (Gemini)

                    The amount of valuable information fed to the systems voluntarily is staggering. It's not a matter of "if" it is happening, but "of course it is". It would be outright negligent if they weren’t capturing and disseminating it all.

                    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_Intelligence_Surveillance_Act#Without_a_court_order
                    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_Intelligence_Surveillance_Act#Amendments

                    #privacy

                    nf3xn@mastodon.socialN This user is from outside of this forum
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                    @harrysintonen We were rather counting on it.

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                    • harrysintonen@infosec.exchangeH harrysintonen@infosec.exchange

                      This should be obvious for everyone by now, but if you're not from US you must assume that all your use of US AI services (#ChatGPT, #Claude, #Gemini etc) is fed directly to US intelligence services.

                      "We may share your Personal Data, including information about your interaction with our Services, with government authorities ... in compliance with the law (i)" (OpenAI)

                      "We may disclose personal data to governmental regulatory authorities as required by law" (Claude)

                      "We will share personal information outside of Google ... to: Respond to any applicable law, regulation, legal process, or enforceable governmental request" (Gemini)

                      The amount of valuable information fed to the systems voluntarily is staggering. It's not a matter of "if" it is happening, but "of course it is". It would be outright negligent if they weren’t capturing and disseminating it all.

                      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_Intelligence_Surveillance_Act#Without_a_court_order
                      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_Intelligence_Surveillance_Act#Amendments

                      #privacy

                      pattyhanson@mastodon.socialP This user is from outside of this forum
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                      @harrysintonen Unless you are a virgin in the social media world, your information, as much as you have entered, has already been shared and sold over and over to unknown entities. The day you opened your very first social media account, whether it was OurSpace or Facebook or any others, your privacy was gone.

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                      • harrysintonen@infosec.exchangeH harrysintonen@infosec.exchange

                        This should be obvious for everyone by now, but if you're not from US you must assume that all your use of US AI services (#ChatGPT, #Claude, #Gemini etc) is fed directly to US intelligence services.

                        "We may share your Personal Data, including information about your interaction with our Services, with government authorities ... in compliance with the law (i)" (OpenAI)

                        "We may disclose personal data to governmental regulatory authorities as required by law" (Claude)

                        "We will share personal information outside of Google ... to: Respond to any applicable law, regulation, legal process, or enforceable governmental request" (Gemini)

                        The amount of valuable information fed to the systems voluntarily is staggering. It's not a matter of "if" it is happening, but "of course it is". It would be outright negligent if they weren’t capturing and disseminating it all.

                        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_Intelligence_Surveillance_Act#Without_a_court_order
                        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_Intelligence_Surveillance_Act#Amendments

                        #privacy

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                        @harrysintonen don’t name openbsd to him.

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