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fuck this shit.

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  • thomasfuchs@hachyderm.ioT thomasfuchs@hachyderm.io

    @malcircuit @jonne @peter

    He's using LLM-based spellcheckers, and kind of implying this is new amazing technology.

    Presumably to prove that he isn't a "luddite" or whatever.

    Just a moment...

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    (doctorow.medium.com)

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    @thomasfuchs @malcircuit @peter Surprising, considering the latest posts on his blog are mostly about how fucking stupid AI stuff is.

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    • jonne@mastodontti.fiJ jonne@mastodontti.fi

      @thomasfuchs @malcircuit @peter Surprising, considering the latest posts on his blog are mostly about how fucking stupid AI stuff is.

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      @jonne @thomasfuchs

      I'm not going to argue the matter as if I perfectly understand and agree with Cory's position. He can defend himself. I'm just not sure that article says what was implied by @peter's post. It seems like Cory understands exactly why people hate AI, and he's trying to make a distinction between the technology and the application of it.

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      • malcircuit@thingy.socialM malcircuit@thingy.social

        @jonne @thomasfuchs

        I'm not going to argue the matter as if I perfectly understand and agree with Cory's position. He can defend himself. I'm just not sure that article says what was implied by @peter's post. It seems like Cory understands exactly why people hate AI, and he's trying to make a distinction between the technology and the application of it.

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        @malcircuit @jonne @peter

        He was an ass for ranting about "purity culture" and belittling real concerns people have (and why many people hate AI), to quote:

        "Doubtless some of you are affronted by my modest use of an LLM. You think that LLMs are “fruits of the poisoned tree” and must be eschewed because they are saturated with the sin of their origins. I think this is a very bad take, the kind of rathole that purity culture always ends up in."

        "Purity culture" is a highly derogatory term, implying that people who are anti-AI are some sort of religious cult.

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        • jonne@mastodontti.fiJ jonne@mastodontti.fi

          @thomasfuchs @malcircuit @peter Surprising, considering the latest posts on his blog are mostly about how fucking stupid AI stuff is.

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          @jonne @thomasfuchs @malcircuit @peter
          If I have been reading his complaints correctly Cory never hated AI unless it was burdening the user: i.e. "Reverse centaur"

          I guess that's good enough to sell a lot of books because it is a "functionally smart" position with a little pushback against the AI trend, and not enough people in the media are willing to give us even that, but -my- problems with AI go deeper than the interface. I still consider it (attempted) intellectual theft and a sanitized interface for environmental destruction that provides results which are a lot less helpful than all the stuff that came before AI -- all the stuff they deliberately took away to make AI seem useful

          (I recently stopped letting Cory in my feed after he started to share substack articles)

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          • thomasfuchs@hachyderm.ioT thomasfuchs@hachyderm.io

            @malcircuit @jonne @peter

            He was an ass for ranting about "purity culture" and belittling real concerns people have (and why many people hate AI), to quote:

            "Doubtless some of you are affronted by my modest use of an LLM. You think that LLMs are “fruits of the poisoned tree” and must be eschewed because they are saturated with the sin of their origins. I think this is a very bad take, the kind of rathole that purity culture always ends up in."

            "Purity culture" is a highly derogatory term, implying that people who are anti-AI are some sort of religious cult.

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            @malcircuit @jonne @peter

            I don't even mind his position on this, honestly I don't care.

            But what I do care about is how he said it—by directly insulting people that are not of his opinion.

            It's not only a logical fallacy; it's also just bad writing.

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            • rndanger@infosec.exchangeR rndanger@infosec.exchange

              @jonne @thomasfuchs @malcircuit @peter
              If I have been reading his complaints correctly Cory never hated AI unless it was burdening the user: i.e. "Reverse centaur"

              I guess that's good enough to sell a lot of books because it is a "functionally smart" position with a little pushback against the AI trend, and not enough people in the media are willing to give us even that, but -my- problems with AI go deeper than the interface. I still consider it (attempted) intellectual theft and a sanitized interface for environmental destruction that provides results which are a lot less helpful than all the stuff that came before AI -- all the stuff they deliberately took away to make AI seem useful

              (I recently stopped letting Cory in my feed after he started to share substack articles)

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              @RnDanger

              Fwiw, I've never read his stuff because I don't like his writing style.

              But he veered into insulting people that are nominally "on his side" (whatever that means) recently and as you say there's other issues.

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              • malcircuit@thingy.socialM malcircuit@thingy.social

                @jonne @peter

                Yeah, I was going to say... I'm not aware of Cory ever saying anything like that about AI. I'm pretty sure he knows exactly what's happening.

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                @malcircuit @jonne @peter he got weirdly defensive and had some bad arguments against a strawman he made up in this post https://pluralistic.net/2026/02/19/now-we-are-six/#stock-buyback

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                • thomasfuchs@hachyderm.ioT thomasfuchs@hachyderm.io

                  @malcircuit @jonne @peter

                  I don't even mind his position on this, honestly I don't care.

                  But what I do care about is how he said it—by directly insulting people that are not of his opinion.

                  It's not only a logical fallacy; it's also just bad writing.

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                  @thomasfuchs @jonne @peter

                  I only feel like you might be reading more into his words than he actually believes, but I'm not going to debate with you about it.

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                  • thomasfuchs@hachyderm.ioT thomasfuchs@hachyderm.io

                    @RnDanger

                    Fwiw, I've never read his stuff because I don't like his writing style.

                    But he veered into insulting people that are nominally "on his side" (whatever that means) recently and as you say there's other issues.

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                    @thomasfuchs
                    I don't know why but i always got a little bit of greenwald energy from him like he's pushing the right buttons on screen but his reason for driving isn't the same as his audience's.

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                    • malcircuit@thingy.socialM malcircuit@thingy.social

                      @thomasfuchs @jonne @peter

                      I only feel like you might be reading more into his words than he actually believes, but I'm not going to debate with you about it.

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                      @malcircuit @thomasfuchs @jonne his latest post he says AI critics are experiencing "psychosis" because it's just a "normal technology" https://pluralistic.net/2026/03/12/normal-technology/#more-12536

                      i was posting about it earlier in this thread: https://thepit.social/@peter/116220856874688629

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                      • rndanger@infosec.exchangeR rndanger@infosec.exchange

                        @jonne @thomasfuchs @malcircuit @peter
                        If I have been reading his complaints correctly Cory never hated AI unless it was burdening the user: i.e. "Reverse centaur"

                        I guess that's good enough to sell a lot of books because it is a "functionally smart" position with a little pushback against the AI trend, and not enough people in the media are willing to give us even that, but -my- problems with AI go deeper than the interface. I still consider it (attempted) intellectual theft and a sanitized interface for environmental destruction that provides results which are a lot less helpful than all the stuff that came before AI -- all the stuff they deliberately took away to make AI seem useful

                        (I recently stopped letting Cory in my feed after he started to share substack articles)

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                        @RnDanger @jonne @thomasfuchs @peter

                        I feel like it's important to keep in mind the context of the article. He's using a spellchecker LLM. It's not a chat bot. He's not asking it questions. He's not asking it to write for him. It's like criticizing someone for using a keyboard app with autocorrect.

                        I also have a deeper philosophical opposition to most uses of LLMs, but a spell checker is such a trivial application that I'm having a hard time thinking of a reason it's "bad".

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                        • malcircuit@thingy.socialM malcircuit@thingy.social

                          @RnDanger @jonne @thomasfuchs @peter

                          I feel like it's important to keep in mind the context of the article. He's using a spellchecker LLM. It's not a chat bot. He's not asking it questions. He's not asking it to write for him. It's like criticizing someone for using a keyboard app with autocorrect.

                          I also have a deeper philosophical opposition to most uses of LLMs, but a spell checker is such a trivial application that I'm having a hard time thinking of a reason it's "bad".

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                          @malcircuit @jonne @thomasfuchs @peter
                          He's running olama on a local computer. I haven't looked into the the training for that model but if i was able to be convinced that there's an ethical model to use it might be that one.

                          So he's set up an AI at home. That's not "Big LLM", but it's also definitely not "anti AI", which a lot of his fans are

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