The UK’s first geothermal power plant was switched on this morning in Cornwall, providing a completely new type of renewable electricity for the country.
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@kibcol1049 I'm struggling to see how the heat of the Earth's core is any more "renewable" than nuclear. It sounds more like 'heat death' to me. I blame Iceland. Or Sadi Carnot; definitely someone foreign.
@woo
"Renewable" was always a stupid name for any kind of energy.
"Fossil fuel" was more accurate, but the Sun is also a fossil, really, and so are any radio isotopes.I think we should rather just stick to naming specific sources - oil, coal, wood, gas, are all really noxious and short-term energy sources.
Wind, hydro, and solar are far better
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@woo @kibcol1049 It's not renewable but it will last until the sun strips us of our atmosphere or completely consumes us.
It's not going to be anything we need to worry about because we're just not going to make enough difference to move that date forward.
It's solidly green as a power source but not every way of using it is.
@naturepunk @kibcol1049 I worry about anything that people believe to be free. I remember being told that the sea would be an inexhaustible supply of food once we started fish farming and it wasn't.
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@angelastella @naturepunk @woo @kibcol1049
they should be more worried about the chuds.
@Netraven @naturepunk @woo @kibcol1049
Who's they?
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@angelastella @naturepunk @woo @kibcol1049
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@angelastella @naturepunk @woo @kibcol1049
whomever naturally handles slightly irradiated homeless cannibals from beneath the Earth's crust, obviously.@Netraven @naturepunk @woo @kibcol1049
Not my circus, not my clowns.
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@Netraven @naturepunk @woo @kibcol1049
Not my circus, not my clowns.
@angelastella Gooble gobble
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@kibcol1049 I'm struggling to see how the heat of the Earth's core is any more "renewable" than nuclear. It sounds more like 'heat death' to me. I blame Iceland. Or Sadi Carnot; definitely someone foreign.
@woo @kibcol1049 The only warm part of the UK and they're sucking the heat out of it.
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@woo @kibcol1049 The only warm part of the UK and they're sucking the heat out of it.
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@woo @kibcol1049 The only warm part of the UK and they're sucking the heat out of it.
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@naturepunk @kibcol1049 I worry about anything that people believe to be free. I remember being told that the sea would be an inexhaustible supply of food once we started fish farming and it wasn't.
@woo
Don’t let “perfect” be the enemy of “good”. This is better than fossil fuels, so we should use it and get rid of them. It’s that simple.Plus once we get rid of gas for generating electricity, the price drops like a stone, because that’s the expensive bit.
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@woo
Don’t let “perfect” be the enemy of “good”. This is better than fossil fuels, so we should use it and get rid of them. It’s that simple.Plus once we get rid of gas for generating electricity, the price drops like a stone, because that’s the expensive bit.
@naturepunk @kibcol1049@gareth @woo @naturepunk @kibcol1049
"While primordial heat is slowly dissipating, the Earth’s interior is continuously replenished by another crucial source: radioactive decay. Certain naturally occurring radioactive isotopes, such as uranium-238, thorium-232, and potassium-40, are present within the Earth’s mantle and core. These isotopes undergo radioactive decay, releasing energy in the form of heat."
It's not just some finite heat source, but is being replenished in the main.
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@gareth @woo @naturepunk @kibcol1049
"While primordial heat is slowly dissipating, the Earth’s interior is continuously replenished by another crucial source: radioactive decay. Certain naturally occurring radioactive isotopes, such as uranium-238, thorium-232, and potassium-40, are present within the Earth’s mantle and core. These isotopes undergo radioactive decay, releasing energy in the form of heat."
It's not just some finite heat source, but is being replenished in the main.
@davep @gareth @naturepunk @kibcol1049 That's still a finite energy source though the time-scales are much longer than I'd bothered to think about :-).
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@davep @gareth @naturepunk @kibcol1049 That's still a finite energy source though the time-scales are much longer than I'd bothered to think about :-).
@woo
Sure, but again, getting rid of fossil fuels is the immediate goal.Let’s do that now, then worry about antimatter or zero point energy or some other exotic fuel afterwards.
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@davep @gareth @naturepunk @kibcol1049 That's still a finite energy source though the time-scales are much longer than I'd bothered to think about :-).
@woo @davep @gareth @naturepunk @kibcol1049 buddy, the SUN is also a finite heat source. unless you have a perpetual motion machine, nothing is renewable on a cosmic timeline. the countdown to catastrophe for current fossil fuel use is maybe 50 years? fix this first and we have another billion years to worry about slightly cooling the earth's mantle
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@woo @davep @gareth @naturepunk @kibcol1049 buddy, the SUN is also a finite heat source. unless you have a perpetual motion machine, nothing is renewable on a cosmic timeline. the countdown to catastrophe for current fossil fuel use is maybe 50 years? fix this first and we have another billion years to worry about slightly cooling the earth's mantle
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@woo
"Renewable" was always a stupid name for any kind of energy.
"Fossil fuel" was more accurate, but the Sun is also a fossil, really, and so are any radio isotopes.I think we should rather just stick to naming specific sources - oil, coal, wood, gas, are all really noxious and short-term energy sources.
Wind, hydro, and solar are far better
Nuclear is dicey, and is essentially playing a mean-spirited game of "surprise" with future generations who are going to discover waste@mloxton @woo @kibcol1049 nuclear is dicey because the reactions and more importantly the waste products are at the surface. in the case of geothermal this all happens beneath several kilometres of granite and, the fun part is, this goes on whether we want it to or not! that's the distinction between 'renewable'and something where you have to find and consume a specific fuel source.
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@woo
Sure, but again, getting rid of fossil fuels is the immediate goal.Let’s do that now, then worry about antimatter or zero point energy or some other exotic fuel afterwards.
@davep @naturepunk @kibcol1049@gareth @davep @naturepunk @kibcol1049 But: we won't, just like we didn't worry about oil running out for 50 years or Climate Chaos.
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@woo @davep @gareth @naturepunk @kibcol1049 buddy, the SUN is also a finite heat source. unless you have a perpetual motion machine, nothing is renewable on a cosmic timeline. the countdown to catastrophe for current fossil fuel use is maybe 50 years? fix this first and we have another billion years to worry about slightly cooling the earth's mantle
and we're not cooling the mantle at all by using the heat transferred to water that would dissipate to the surface one way or the other. same as irradiated energy from the sun. that's not going back where it came from.
I do worry about collecting more sun energy that would otherwise have been reflected back to space, though. changing the planet's albedo this way will accumulate energy that otherwise wouldn't stay on earth, and energy eventually becomes heat, so we should have plans to restore the balance to make this sustainable.
CC: @woo@fosstodon.org @davep@infosec.exchange @gareth@tenforward.social @naturepunk@ecoevo.social @kibcol1049@mstdn.social
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@gareth @davep @naturepunk @kibcol1049 But: we won't, just like we didn't worry about oil running out for 50 years or Climate Chaos.
@woo
Go on then Negative Nelly. What’s your solution to the fossil fuel problem? Just wait for something even better and do nothing in the meantime?
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and we're not cooling the mantle at all by using the heat transferred to water that would dissipate to the surface one way or the other. same as irradiated energy from the sun. that's not going back where it came from.
I do worry about collecting more sun energy that would otherwise have been reflected back to space, though. changing the planet's albedo this way will accumulate energy that otherwise wouldn't stay on earth, and energy eventually becomes heat, so we should have plans to restore the balance to make this sustainable.
CC: @woo@fosstodon.org @davep@infosec.exchange @gareth@tenforward.social @naturepunk@ecoevo.social @kibcol1049@mstdn.social@lxo fair. also applies to deforestation and laying tarmac, and i expect the warming is an order of magnitude less than that associated with fossil fuel combustion (which produces as much heat as useful energy). an easier problem to solve than a runaway greenhouse effect.
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