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Personally I think alt-text is valuable for everyone, not for just people with visual impairments.

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  • yehuda@turtleisland.socialY yehuda@turtleisland.social

    Personally I think alt-text is valuable for everyone, not for just people with visual impairments. I read alt-text all the time. I'm curious if my theory that a wide swath of people read alt-text is true.
    #AltTxt #AltText

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    @Yehuda I read ALT text for several reasons:
    -Gives me the context of memes and other pics I don't understand just by looking at them.
    -A certain image won't load (app issues, server issues, connection issues).
    -I'm curious to see how other people describe images. I genuinely enjoy it sometimes as someone interested in writing, and it gives me ideas for my own ALT descriptions.

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    • yehuda@turtleisland.socialY yehuda@turtleisland.social

      Personally I think alt-text is valuable for everyone, not for just people with visual impairments. I read alt-text all the time. I'm curious if my theory that a wide swath of people read alt-text is true.
      #AltTxt #AltText

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      #101

      @Yehuda #AltText is the curb cuts of online discourse: it’s necessary for a Disabled minority, but the beneficiaries are predominantly others who could get by without it. It improves the place for everyone.

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      • pvagner@fedi.mlP pvagner@fedi.ml

        @Cassandra @equalitysiren @Yehuda Yes, screen readers actually do read the poll choices.

        Additionally for screen reader users saying I'm a screen reader user And I skip reading alt text is very rare if not inpossible as screen readers are setup to present the images with alt text and skip images without it by default.

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        @pvagner Thank you!

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        • yehuda@turtleisland.socialY yehuda@turtleisland.social

          Personally I think alt-text is valuable for everyone, not for just people with visual impairments. I read alt-text all the time. I'm curious if my theory that a wide swath of people read alt-text is true.
          #AltTxt #AltText

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          @Yehuda Sometimes. Maybe not often.

          I agree that it is really important for everyone.

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          • yehuda@turtleisland.socialY yehuda@turtleisland.social

            Personally I think alt-text is valuable for everyone, not for just people with visual impairments. I read alt-text all the time. I'm curious if my theory that a wide swath of people read alt-text is true.
            #AltTxt #AltText

            thomas@pleroma.tcweb.orgT This user is from outside of this forum
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            @Yehuda
            Where is option : i never read alt-text 🤣
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            • epic_null@infosec.exchangeE epic_null@infosec.exchange

              @gub @Yehuda I can see where there may be a cultural issue here, but I suspect a lot of that issue comes from Mastodon being one of a small number of places where alt text is actually both setable and readable to anyone without specialized tooling.

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              @Epic_Null @gub @Yehuda

              Well that's the problem

              Mastodon culture acknowledges that someone some people need alt text due to disability

              But it does not acknowledge that some people cannot see, hear, or read alt text, due to other disabilities

              I think the point @gub is making is that by putting jokes or extra info in the alt text, people are excluding some of the disabled folks here

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              • yehuda@turtleisland.socialY yehuda@turtleisland.social

                Personally I think alt-text is valuable for everyone, not for just people with visual impairments. I read alt-text all the time. I'm curious if my theory that a wide swath of people read alt-text is true.
                #AltTxt #AltText

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                @Yehuda I'm not visually impaired but usually read alt-text.

                Some of it is beautiful. Some calls attention to details I might have missed, especially reading on a small screen. Sometimes there are Easter eggs. I've seen alt-text in two, even three languages! And if I'm going to share a post I check for alt-text *and* read it. Once caught an account that always put "Follow us on Facebook" in their alt-text, which I promptly muted.

                #AltText

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                  @anantagd @Yehuda Interesting to know. Thank you.

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                  • o_o@mastodon.nuO o_o@mastodon.nu

                    @Yehuda mostly i use it when a) I don’t get the joke and hope there’s an explanation, b) I don’t get the text because it’s in a different language but alt text can be translated.

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                    @o_O @Yehuda Translated alt-text is awesome!

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                    • murdoccc@infosec.exchangeM murdoccc@infosec.exchange

                      @Yehuda I'm torn on this issue. Accessibility is important, but companies that use our content to train their algorithms can go to hell on the express way. If this poll ends with only 2% of users in need of alt text, it might change my behavior.

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                      @murdoccc @Yehuda I hear what you’re saying. Our images might be used for training too—it’s a messed up world. I do want to point out that at this point a single percent of respondents represents hundreds of people. Alt text could also make all the difference for one person who decides to follow you.

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                      • yehuda@turtleisland.socialY yehuda@turtleisland.social

                        Personally I think alt-text is valuable for everyone, not for just people with visual impairments. I read alt-text all the time. I'm curious if my theory that a wide swath of people read alt-text is true.
                        #AltTxt #AltText

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                        #110

                        @Yehuda
                        I am not visually impaired but frequently use alt-text for various reasons.

                        1. To help when I don't get the point or focus of an image, but the alt-text causes me to say "Aha, now I see it!"

                        2. When my internet is being annoyingly slow at loading images, but quickly checking the alt-text gives me a general notion of the image content anyway.

                        3. When there is writing in the image in a language I don't know. I find that in most cases, if I used the translate function on the text of the post, it will also have translated the alt-text, which helps me read road signs, headlines, and memes.

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