a friendly reminder:
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@natty the only real solution is to stop doing software /hj
@natty but unironically
I think geekslist is the last software project I'll do
like, I don't see myself grabbing a project "for fun" or anything ever again
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@pierogiburo gotcha, software is unethical and i should move to the wilderness
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@pierogiburo@tech.lgbt actually feeling like we've seen this sentiment before, unironically
@pierogiburo@tech.lgbt we've also been thinking a bit how the same people that love xkcd 2347 also are the loudest when the person in Nebraska starts using Claude, while they wouldn't dare to be this vocal at a company. And sure most people can't afford to protest like that at work, but it's been increasingly common that OSS devs are held to an even higher moral ground
Society
No I'm actually kinda tired because the naming and shaming clearly doesn't work for individuals singlehandedly maintaining some piece of software used by over a billion devices, and people suddenly caring and wanting to fork a project they didn't even give two shits about before
Also everyone stopped content warning this shit so we can't escape it -
@pierogiburo@tech.lgbt we've also been thinking a bit how the same people that love xkcd 2347 also are the loudest when the person in Nebraska starts using Claude, while they wouldn't dare to be this vocal at a company. And sure most people can't afford to protest like that at work, but it's been increasingly common that OSS devs are held to an even higher moral ground
Society
No I'm actually kinda tired because the naming and shaming clearly doesn't work for individuals singlehandedly maintaining some piece of software used by over a billion devices, and people suddenly caring and wanting to fork a project they didn't even give two shits about before
Also everyone stopped content warning this shit so we can't escape it@natty @pierogiburo I would boost this but tbh I don't wanna see the kinds of replies this would get
Like... Ughhh
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a friendly reminder:
proprietary software is unethical because it restricts user freedom and evil corporations love that shit
open source is unethical because you're just giving more training data to evil corporations
permissive licenses are unethical because you're allowing evil corporations to use your work
copyleft licenses are unethical because a starving transfem game developer won't be able to use your code in her next game that she really needs to sell because otherwise an evil corporation will evict her from her apartment
@pierogiburo@tech.lgbt show me the license I'll show you the crime
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@pierogiburo@tech.lgbt we've also been thinking a bit how the same people that love xkcd 2347 also are the loudest when the person in Nebraska starts using Claude, while they wouldn't dare to be this vocal at a company. And sure most people can't afford to protest like that at work, but it's been increasingly common that OSS devs are held to an even higher moral ground
Society
No I'm actually kinda tired because the naming and shaming clearly doesn't work for individuals singlehandedly maintaining some piece of software used by over a billion devices, and people suddenly caring and wanting to fork a project they didn't even give two shits about before
Also everyone stopped content warning this shit so we can't escape it@pierogiburo@tech.lgbt this is not to defend reckless LLM use but the "gotchas" and online slamdunks really make me want to quit software circles online
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@natty @pierogiburo I would boost this but tbh I don't wanna see the kinds of replies this would get
Like... Ughhh
@MiaWinter @natty i think people thanklessly developing vital internet infrastructure should just embrace the burnout and despair like the rest of us
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@MiaWinter @natty i think people thanklessly developing vital internet infrastructure should just embrace the burnout and despair like the rest of us
@pierogiburo @natty I mean, I've been embracing art and following more artsy people and honestly it makes me feel much better
Maybe if we all just quit, the internet just breaks
And then we're all free
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@pierogiburo @natty I mean, I've been embracing art and following more artsy people and honestly it makes me feel much better
Maybe if we all just quit, the internet just breaks
And then we're all free
@MiaWinter@tech.lgbt @pierogiburo@tech.lgbt to be fair it exists in the art community too but the only way to be free is not making doomscrolling someone else's problem
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@MiaWinter@tech.lgbt @pierogiburo@tech.lgbt to be fair it exists in the art community too but the only way to be free is not making doomscrolling someone else's problem
@natty @pierogiburo yeah..
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@MiaWinter@tech.lgbt @pierogiburo@tech.lgbt to be fair it exists in the art community too but the only way to be free is not making doomscrolling someone else's problem
@MiaWinter@tech.lgbt @pierogiburo@tech.lgbt fedi is uniquely nostalgia-baity towards autistic creatures and it annoys me because the negative sentiment ripples a lot
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a friendly reminder:
proprietary software is unethical because it restricts user freedom and evil corporations love that shit
open source is unethical because you're just giving more training data to evil corporations
permissive licenses are unethical because you're allowing evil corporations to use your work
copyleft licenses are unethical because a starving transfem game developer won't be able to use your code in her next game that she really needs to sell because otherwise an evil corporation will evict her from her apartment
@pierogiburo i really *really* hate that i have to attach a license to everything i make, what if subtlety threatening everyone around me who uses anything i make sucks actually
like actually, this but unironically.. fuck licenses,
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@tk @pierogiburo tbh software licensing id say you can definitely say that, but software itself not really,
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@pierogiburo@tech.lgbt this is not to defend reckless LLM use but the "gotchas" and online slamdunks really make me want to quit software circles online
@natty @pierogiburo yeah -- i do feel like alot of "LLMs and AI are bad" posts quickly turn into shaming and or trying to punish people for using AI, rather than otherwise (its also tbh maybe(?) an issue with OSS in general, that you cant easily criticise design or development choices without inheriently also making it about those people doing those things-) but i would say thats indicitive of a larger soceital issue in general
but anyway -- as for this sentiment around licensing being done unironically ..., yeah .. i kind of feel something simular to this like unironically tbh
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a friendly reminder:
proprietary software is unethical because it restricts user freedom and evil corporations love that shit
open source is unethical because you're just giving more training data to evil corporations
permissive licenses are unethical because you're allowing evil corporations to use your work
copyleft licenses are unethical because a starving transfem game developer won't be able to use your code in her next game that she really needs to sell because otherwise an evil corporation will evict her from her apartment
@pierogiburo conclusion : I must make a recursive software license that disallows use in slop training and only allows queers to access and redistribute it
(This will definitely not snowball into everyone declaring themselves queer to grab a copy) -
@pierogiburo i really *really* hate that i have to attach a license to everything i make, what if subtlety threatening everyone around me who uses anything i make sucks actually
like actually, this but unironically.. fuck licenses,
@Li honestly just slap unlicense into the root of your project and don't worry about it too much
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@Li honestly just slap unlicense into the root of your project and don't worry about it too much
@pierogiburo unlicense litterally only works if your from the USA, and besides im still fucking working within that bullshit framework, and that kind of angers me somewhat; i don't actually have an issue with 'i dont want my software used for these purposes' .. but i *dont* want to have it written in the form of a fucking threat that i'll try have state-sanctioned violence commited against you if you dont comply .. *thats* the part i have issue with;
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@pierogiburo conclusion : I must make a recursive software license that disallows use in slop training and only allows queers to access and redistribute it
(This will definitely not snowball into everyone declaring themselves queer to grab a copy)@konstruct @pierogiburo the issue here is now your not allowing the starving game developer to use it unless their queer..
"like sorry your undeserving of essential resources -- unless your trans" yknow, still kind of fucked
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@konstruct @pierogiburo the issue here is now your not allowing the starving game developer to use it unless their queer..
"like sorry your undeserving of essential resources -- unless your trans" yknow, still kind of fucked
@Li @pierogiburo conclusion : I must make a recursive software license that disallows use in slop training and only allows people in survival financial stress and queers to access and redistribute it
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