On International Mother Language Day, we celebrate the rich linguistic and cultural diversity that defines our Union, as well as the importance of protecting and promoting mother tongues across Europe.
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@docdanny @EUCommission, we can preserve and develop our mother languages, while in the same uniting Europe by a mutual language that does not belong to any particular nation. #Esperanto is the best current candidate for the job
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@EUCommission, makes sense.
But eg. for #Slovak, my native language, they have accounts only on non-libre, and even non-European platforms
It would be really nice if more EC representatives, and other EU institutions and programs have active accounts on libre, global social media, like many in #Fediverse 🥰
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@valhalla @EUCommission @kinkkong, this make sense! But even better would be to use a language that is even more neutral, not just "second" in some small countries.
There is #Esperanto - a constructed language that belongs to no specific nation but to whole humankind. Much easier to learn and use, while fully capable of expressing wide range of things. Already works for usual people, and with small additional development it will work fully even in high profile EU political context.
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@Pare @valhalla @EUCommission @kinkkong, it makes more sense. Europe needs a mutual language to unite, and that will not happen using a national language of one of the big members.
Better would be even more neutral language, like #Esperanto, as it belongs to no specific nation (not even some competitor nation, like English does), so it can unite people and nations of Europe.
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@Pare @valhalla @EUCommission @kinkkong, it makes more sense. Europe needs a mutual language to unite, and that will not happen using a national language of one of the big members.
Better would be even more neutral language, like #Esperanto, as it belongs to no specific nation (not even some competitor nation, like English does), so it can unite people and nations of Europe.
@kubofhromoslav @Pare @valhalla @EUCommission
That's reasonable. But I don't like Esperanto (eo/epo) that much. I'm in favour of #Volapük (vo/vol). I don't know anything about it, yet, but I like the many umlauts:
More about Volapük: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volapük
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@EUCommission, makes sense.
But eg. for #Slovak, my native language, they have accounts only on non-libre, and even non-European platforms
It would be really nice if more EC representatives, and other EU institutions and programs have active accounts on libre, global social media, like many in #Fediverse 🥰
most #fediverse client have support for basic translation of posts, it would be nice to see the EU Commission account switching languages every post
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@Pare @valhalla @EUCommission @kinkkong, it makes more sense. Europe needs a mutual language to unite, and that will not happen using a national language of one of the big members.
Better would be even more neutral language, like #Esperanto, as it belongs to no specific nation (not even some competitor nation, like English does), so it can unite people and nations of Europe.
@kubofhromoslav @Pare @valhalla @EUCommission @kinkkong Why not #Latin? It has several advantages:
1. It is the base for may European languages and left impressions on all the others.
2. It has been proven to work as an auxiliary language historically as well as contemporarily (Vatican).
3. Many pupils already have to learn it all around Europe for no good reason. It would give a meaning to common practice.
4. Its complicated grammar would make Esperanto look even more desirable.
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@Pare @EUCommission @kinkkong it's not like they were the most important EU country either, but yeah, it helped
I hope that when Scotland will join back into the EU they'll use Scots and Scottish Gaelic as their main official languages
@valhalla @EUCommission @kinkkong
Is there a "main official language" for countries in the EU?For example Belgium uses three official EU languages [*]: Dutch, French, German.
Do they have to choose a "main" one?Official languages are official for EU, not necessarily for some of the countries, and they must be approved by EU, not by the single countries, right?
When Ireland became a member, only English was added as official, is it their "main" language?
[*] https://european-union.europa.eu/principles-countries-history/eu-countries/belgium_it
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@kubofhromoslav @Pare @valhalla @EUCommission @kinkkong Why not #Latin? It has several advantages:
1. It is the base for may European languages and left impressions on all the others.
2. It has been proven to work as an auxiliary language historically as well as contemporarily (Vatican).
3. Many pupils already have to learn it all around Europe for no good reason. It would give a meaning to common practice.
4. Its complicated grammar would make Esperanto look even more desirable.
@proedie @kubofhromoslav @Pare @valhalla @EUCommission
Let's not forget #Ithkuil!
Any privileged language based on the roman alphabet would be unfair against our friends from #Bulgaria and #Greece.
Ithkuil comes with its own writing system and a #grammar that has little in common with any #language we know.
It's not as easy to learn as #Latin or #Sanskrit, but translating a sentence can be done in four simple steps:
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@kubofhromoslav @Pare @valhalla @EUCommission @kinkkong Why not #Latin? It has several advantages:
1. It is the base for may European languages and left impressions on all the others.
2. It has been proven to work as an auxiliary language historically as well as contemporarily (Vatican).
3. Many pupils already have to learn it all around Europe for no good reason. It would give a meaning to common practice.
4. Its complicated grammar would make Esperanto look even more desirable.
@proedie @kubofhromoslav @valhalla @EUCommission @kinkkong
Your fourth argument is quite funny
.And also the extremely complicated relation between how one writes and how one pronounces English should make #Esperanto desirable.
The cost of learning a common language would decrease a lot! And also the number of people with a good level in the common language.
Currently, lots of young people study the English language in Europe, but many of them are not able to reach a good enough level.
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@proedie @kubofhromoslav @Pare @valhalla @EUCommission
Let's not forget #Ithkuil!
Any privileged language based on the roman alphabet would be unfair against our friends from #Bulgaria and #Greece.
Ithkuil comes with its own writing system and a #grammar that has little in common with any #language we know.
It's not as easy to learn as #Latin or #Sanskrit, but translating a sentence can be done in four simple steps:
@kinkkong @kubofhromoslav @Pare @valhalla @EUCommission Interesting, I never heard about this one before.
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@EUCommission
E riusciamo, almeno questo, a dirlo in più di una singola lingua?@Pare @EUCommission Sarebbe bello avere qualche lingua in più in ec.social.network.europa.eu. Altrove si trovano utenze UE in ben 42 lingue. Per esempio @europainitalia @ComisionEuropea @UEfrance.
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@proedie @kubofhromoslav @Pare @valhalla @EUCommission
Let's not forget #Ithkuil!
Any privileged language based on the roman alphabet would be unfair against our friends from #Bulgaria and #Greece.
Ithkuil comes with its own writing system and a #grammar that has little in common with any #language we know.
It's not as easy to learn as #Latin or #Sanskrit, but translating a sentence can be done in four simple steps:
@kinkkong @proedie @kubofhromoslav @Pare @valhalla @EUCommission interesting, it makes me somewhat grumpy that it has trilled R. Some people (e.g., me) aren't very good at those, and there's entire populations who have a little trouble with R-vs-L. If I were designing a language from scratch, I would try to work with common sounds that most people can already make and hear.
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@kinkkong @EUCommission honestly, using a language that is not the official language of one of the big countries of the EU (but is widely known as a second language) sounds better than giving undue advantage to the people in a country that already has a big population.
And besides, if that single language had to be chosen by number of EU speakers, I believe that German or French would come first, then Italian¹, and only then Spanish
¹ please don't! too many Italians are already self-centered assholes, they don't need to be helped gain confidence in their cultural importance this way.
PS: I'm sure that you, @valhalla, are aware of as many "self-centered assholes" whose mother language is the one we are using to write right now...
Are we sure that they deserve the confidence in their... how to say this... power?!?... given by the fact that their language is used as the only one important for intercommunication?
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Algú podria creure que és una fantasia europea, una visió il·lusòria, però no, és exactament HIPOCRESIA EUROPEA!
@EUCommission, el que de debò celebreu és el dia de les llengües "maternes" estatals d'estats lingüicides que per a molts parlants són llengües imposades talment com madrastes de la ventafocs.
Podeu mentir tot el què vulgueu, ja que d'això en sabeu molt, però no enganyeu. I ara a seguir malgastant el futur en bombes i crims.
@vmateusimeon
Sí, després els projectes de recerca que financen tenen prohibit gastar diners en traducció o interpretació. Resultat: tot ha de ser en anglès...
@spla @tmallafre @EUCommission -
@vmateusimeon
Sí, després els projectes de recerca que financen tenen prohibit gastar diners en traducció o interpretació. Resultat: tot ha de ser en anglès...
@spla @tmallafre @EUCommission@jpujolar @spla @tmallafre @EUCommission la llengua materna més parlada amb diferència a la UE suposo.
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@kubofhromoslav @Pare @valhalla @EUCommission @kinkkong Why not #Latin? It has several advantages:
1. It is the base for may European languages and left impressions on all the others.
2. It has been proven to work as an auxiliary language historically as well as contemporarily (Vatican).
3. Many pupils already have to learn it all around Europe for no good reason. It would give a meaning to common practice.
4. Its complicated grammar would make Esperanto look even more desirable.
@proedie I prefer Celtic.
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@kinkkong @kubofhromoslav @Pare @valhalla @EUCommission Interesting, I never heard about this one before.
@proedie @kinkkong @kubofhromoslav @Pare @valhalla @EUCommission why not stay with English? We already speak it, it helps us connect with our friends on the Island and across the sea, even those further south who are not that blessed with embracing multilingualism, and no one's stopping us using other languages given the occasion, d'accord.
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@EUCommission @kinkkong i aquest és el truc. Ens ha de representar Espanya, que minoritza el nostre idioma (que no és minoritari, però està miniritzat) i nosaltres que el giram en nom del negoci i el turisme.
És que no és pràctic, millor ho feim tot en anglès, un idioma sense cap país que el reprrsenti dins l'EU. Perfecte. Meravellós.
Bon dia dels idiomes materns (segons quind, i segons on)@cibersheep @EUCommission @kinkkong @spla Galician?
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@kubofhromoslav @Pare @valhalla @EUCommission @kinkkong Why not #Latin? It has several advantages:
1. It is the base for may European languages and left impressions on all the others.
2. It has been proven to work as an auxiliary language historically as well as contemporarily (Vatican).
3. Many pupils already have to learn it all around Europe for no good reason. It would give a meaning to common practice.
4. Its complicated grammar would make Esperanto look even more desirable.
@proedie @Pare @valhalla @EUCommission @kinkkong, I learnt both #Esperanto and #Latin and I confirm that Latin's complicated grammar makes Esperanto even more desirable
In short, despite its many cool features, especially historic significance, Latin is just too hard for masses. We definitely can have an inteligencia layer fluent in Latin, but it would do little to unite Europe.
