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My mailserver is very German.

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  • wolf@social.tchncs.deW wolf@social.tchncs.de

    @jwildeboer
    You mean i can test setup by sending an email to you?

    jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.netJ This user is from outside of this forum
    jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.netJ This user is from outside of this forum
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    @Wolf Feel free to try! You might land on my blocklist faster than you expect, though 😉 There are good services out there for such kind of checks that test even more things 🙂 I use https://mxtoolbox.com/diagnostic.aspx and a few more.

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    • jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.netJ jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.net

      My mailserver is very German. When your mailserver tries to send a message, it does a reverse lookup on the IP address. If that doesn't deliver a valid hostname, you're out. But we are not done yet. If it gets a valid hostname, it does an A (IPv4) or AAAA (IPv6&) lookup on that hostname. And if it doesn't deliver back the same IP address, you are still out. It is fascinating to observe how often that uncovers that even big names get their DNS wrong. Hello, Spamcop 😉

      #ItsAlwaysDNS #MailAdmin

      bkastl@mastodon.socialB This user is from outside of this forum
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      @jwildeboer but checking quad a records breaks many mailservers of german public services. Kind of reverse german behavior 😅

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      • bkastl@mastodon.socialB bkastl@mastodon.social

        @jwildeboer but checking quad a records breaks many mailservers of german public services. Kind of reverse german behavior 😅

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        @bkastl IPv6 is still maybe max 6-8% of incoming mail on my server. And around 98% of those actually have their DNS configured correctly 🙂

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        • jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.netJ jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.net

          My mailserver is very German. When your mailserver tries to send a message, it does a reverse lookup on the IP address. If that doesn't deliver a valid hostname, you're out. But we are not done yet. If it gets a valid hostname, it does an A (IPv4) or AAAA (IPv6&) lookup on that hostname. And if it doesn't deliver back the same IP address, you are still out. It is fascinating to observe how often that uncovers that even big names get their DNS wrong. Hello, Spamcop 😉

          #ItsAlwaysDNS #MailAdmin

          paul_ipv6@infosec.exchangeP This user is from outside of this forum
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          @jwildeboer

          LOL.

          apparently i'm very german 🙂

          yup. HELO must be an actual DNS name, forward and reverse DNS must be correct, and if you haven't sent tuple of (sender,host,recip) in last 24 hours, you get a 5 minute greylisting.

          that and sbl-xbl check blow out about 70% of the stupid spammers before i ever get to transferring actual email payload.

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          • jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.netJ jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.net

            @Wolf Feel free to try! You might land on my blocklist faster than you expect, though 😉 There are good services out there for such kind of checks that test even more things 🙂 I use https://mxtoolbox.com/diagnostic.aspx and a few more.

            wolf@social.tchncs.deW This user is from outside of this forum
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            wolf@social.tchncs.de
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            @jwildeboer
            Yes, I know these toolbox site, I mean most of my setup is green... What's ur preferred Test address?

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            • jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.netJ jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.net

              My mailserver is very German. When your mailserver tries to send a message, it does a reverse lookup on the IP address. If that doesn't deliver a valid hostname, you're out. But we are not done yet. If it gets a valid hostname, it does an A (IPv4) or AAAA (IPv6&) lookup on that hostname. And if it doesn't deliver back the same IP address, you are still out. It is fascinating to observe how often that uncovers that even big names get their DNS wrong. Hello, Spamcop 😉

              #ItsAlwaysDNS #MailAdmin

              mc@toot.houbahouba.deM This user is from outside of this forum
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              @jwildeboer exactly how to do it.....even if i wouldn't call it the "german way" of doing it 😉

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              • jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.netJ jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.net

                My mailserver is very German. When your mailserver tries to send a message, it does a reverse lookup on the IP address. If that doesn't deliver a valid hostname, you're out. But we are not done yet. If it gets a valid hostname, it does an A (IPv4) or AAAA (IPv6&) lookup on that hostname. And if it doesn't deliver back the same IP address, you are still out. It is fascinating to observe how often that uncovers that even big names get their DNS wrong. Hello, Spamcop 😉

                #ItsAlwaysDNS #MailAdmin

                fedithom@social.saarlandF This user is from outside of this forum
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                @jwildeboer

                I wonder how close that is to how @hallo @ubernauten do it

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                • jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.netJ jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.net

                  My mailserver is very German. When your mailserver tries to send a message, it does a reverse lookup on the IP address. If that doesn't deliver a valid hostname, you're out. But we are not done yet. If it gets a valid hostname, it does an A (IPv4) or AAAA (IPv6&) lookup on that hostname. And if it doesn't deliver back the same IP address, you are still out. It is fascinating to observe how often that uncovers that even big names get their DNS wrong. Hello, Spamcop 😉

                  #ItsAlwaysDNS #MailAdmin

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                  Obviously that's just the start of my German Mail Server vetting you. Blocklist, SPF, DKIM, DMARC checks follow. And I had to make some allowlist exceptions for mail providers whose emails I begrudgingly accept, even though they messed up their config. For a geeky deep dive, my blog series on all of that starts here: https://jan.wildeboer.net/2022/08/Email-0-The-Journey-2022/

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                  • jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.netJ jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.net

                    My mailserver is very German. When your mailserver tries to send a message, it does a reverse lookup on the IP address. If that doesn't deliver a valid hostname, you're out. But we are not done yet. If it gets a valid hostname, it does an A (IPv4) or AAAA (IPv6&) lookup on that hostname. And if it doesn't deliver back the same IP address, you are still out. It is fascinating to observe how often that uncovers that even big names get their DNS wrong. Hello, Spamcop 😉

                    #ItsAlwaysDNS #MailAdmin

                    halfa@mastodon.tedomum.netH This user is from outside of this forum
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                    @jwildeboer this is actually a major issue for hosting mailserver on regular ISP fiber, as you usually don't have control over PTR

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                    • halfa@mastodon.tedomum.netH halfa@mastodon.tedomum.net

                      @jwildeboer this is actually a major issue for hosting mailserver on regular ISP fiber, as you usually don't have control over PTR

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                      @halfa A cheap VPS (Virtual Private Server) solves that problem. My mail server is a €5 VPS since 10+ years. 1 CPU, 2GB RAM, serves 20+ domains. Full PTR control for IPv4 and IPv6 included.

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