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  • jon@social.vivaldi.netJ jon@social.vivaldi.net

    There is no better feeling than the satisfaction of seeing happy users of Vivaldi. There is a reason why I and the rest of the Vivaldi team continue to work hard on building a better browser for all of you!

    It is not always easy. Building a browser across platforms and devices is not trivial to do. Connecting them all together through sync s not trivial either. Making it work well on small and large screens, using different input methods takes a lot of work as well. Having unlimited flexibility is hard as well. This is the reason why others tend not to do it. It is a lot easier to just say that the way you design it is the right way and the user is wrong.

    I know there are then things that some of you would like us to do, that we have not done yet. Generally we have it on our list.
    Running on a different code base is not on our list, though. It is too much work for too little gain. It is better for us to spend resources on improving the one code base we have. The more resources we have, the more we can do. When you tell your friends about Vivaldi, you help us grow and you help us be able to do more.

    Thanks!
    Jon.

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    @jon have you looked at Servo as the possible engine Vivaldi could run on?

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    • jon@social.vivaldi.netJ jon@social.vivaldi.net

      32 years ago I started working on my first browser, Opera. I left Opera in 2011, but two years later I co-founded Vivaldi. Thus I have been making browsers now for 32 years, with a short break there between 2011 and 2013.

      I have always felt that this work is important and no less today than before as more and more of you see the importance of alternatives to Big Tech.

      Vivaldi is a European company with headquarters in Norway, servers in Iceland and team in Norway, Iceland, across Europe, Japan and a couple in the US.

      We try our best to adapt to your needs. We build powerful browsers, with a lot of flexibility.

      I welcome you to try us out and share with your friends!

      #Windows #Macos #Linux #Android #iOS #TEchnology #EU #Europa #Norway #Iceland #Browser #Vivaldi #BigTech

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      Vivaldi Browser | Powerful, Personal and Private web browser

      It’s a web browser. But fun. It comes with a bunch of clever features built-in. It’s super flexible and does not track you. Get the Vivaldi browser for desktop, mobile, and your car!

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      Vivaldi Browser (vivaldi.com)

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      wrote last edited by
      #56

      @jon Thank you for your work. Vivaldi is my preferred browser 😍

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      • jon@social.vivaldi.netJ jon@social.vivaldi.net

        There is no better feeling than the satisfaction of seeing happy users of Vivaldi. There is a reason why I and the rest of the Vivaldi team continue to work hard on building a better browser for all of you!

        It is not always easy. Building a browser across platforms and devices is not trivial to do. Connecting them all together through sync s not trivial either. Making it work well on small and large screens, using different input methods takes a lot of work as well. Having unlimited flexibility is hard as well. This is the reason why others tend not to do it. It is a lot easier to just say that the way you design it is the right way and the user is wrong.

        I know there are then things that some of you would like us to do, that we have not done yet. Generally we have it on our list.
        Running on a different code base is not on our list, though. It is too much work for too little gain. It is better for us to spend resources on improving the one code base we have. The more resources we have, the more we can do. When you tell your friends about Vivaldi, you help us grow and you help us be able to do more.

        Thanks!
        Jon.

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        wrote last edited by
        #57

        @jon thank you and the vivaldi team for making and maintaining my favorite browser.

        any chance you have anyone working on anti-fingerprinting?

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        • jon@social.vivaldi.netJ jon@social.vivaldi.net

          32 years ago I started working on my first browser, Opera. I left Opera in 2011, but two years later I co-founded Vivaldi. Thus I have been making browsers now for 32 years, with a short break there between 2011 and 2013.

          I have always felt that this work is important and no less today than before as more and more of you see the importance of alternatives to Big Tech.

          Vivaldi is a European company with headquarters in Norway, servers in Iceland and team in Norway, Iceland, across Europe, Japan and a couple in the US.

          We try our best to adapt to your needs. We build powerful browsers, with a lot of flexibility.

          I welcome you to try us out and share with your friends!

          #Windows #Macos #Linux #Android #iOS #TEchnology #EU #Europa #Norway #Iceland #Browser #Vivaldi #BigTech

          Link Preview Image
          Vivaldi Browser | Powerful, Personal and Private web browser

          It’s a web browser. But fun. It comes with a bunch of clever features built-in. It’s super flexible and does not track you. Get the Vivaldi browser for desktop, mobile, and your car!

          favicon

          Vivaldi Browser (vivaldi.com)

          jernej__s@infosec.exchangeJ This user is from outside of this forum
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          wrote last edited by
          #58

          @jon I switched from Opera 12 directly to Vivaldi, because unlike ChrOpera the mouse gestures worked.

          Unfortunately, the address bar has been badly broken for the past year, sending random pasted addresses to search instead (VB-121860).

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          • catweazle@social.vivaldi.netC catweazle@social.vivaldi.net

            @LupinoArts @alaknar @jon, don't confuse it, Mozilla without Google would not longer exist, independent that it isn't possible to switch the engine without to develope the browser from scratch, less for a small team like Vivaldi.

            All 3 current engines are from big US tech companies, apart of some irrelevant forks. The engine is by far the most complex part of an browser, reason because there isn't any new engine since more than 20 years. Ther is one, Ladybird, which try to release a browser with an independent engine since several years now, until today not even an alpha version, they will end between, IMHO, the list of >70 already abandoned and discontinued browsers.

            The only possibility is that an european company fork and maintane the Chromium engine, maybe KDE? At least Blink/Chromium is a fork of their KHTML.

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            #59

            @Catweazle as i understand, google pays Mozilla to be their default search engine, and that is how they fund development of their render engine. But the engine itself is independent from google's code, while Chromium is developed by Google directly. My point is that Gecko could exist without Google (if Mozilla found another source of income), while Chromium does not. @alaknar @jon

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            • jon@social.vivaldi.netJ jon@social.vivaldi.net

              32 years ago I started working on my first browser, Opera. I left Opera in 2011, but two years later I co-founded Vivaldi. Thus I have been making browsers now for 32 years, with a short break there between 2011 and 2013.

              I have always felt that this work is important and no less today than before as more and more of you see the importance of alternatives to Big Tech.

              Vivaldi is a European company with headquarters in Norway, servers in Iceland and team in Norway, Iceland, across Europe, Japan and a couple in the US.

              We try our best to adapt to your needs. We build powerful browsers, with a lot of flexibility.

              I welcome you to try us out and share with your friends!

              #Windows #Macos #Linux #Android #iOS #TEchnology #EU #Europa #Norway #Iceland #Browser #Vivaldi #BigTech

              Link Preview Image
              Vivaldi Browser | Powerful, Personal and Private web browser

              It’s a web browser. But fun. It comes with a bunch of clever features built-in. It’s super flexible and does not track you. Get the Vivaldi browser for desktop, mobile, and your car!

              favicon

              Vivaldi Browser (vivaldi.com)

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              wrote last edited by
              #60

              @jon I used Opera in the 2000s, then abandoned it when Opera ASA became "something else." Vivaldi was a discovery a few years ago, an extraordinary one. Of course, these are no longer the days of Webkit and extreme adherence to Web standards, but all the features, shortcuts, and gestures of Opera are in the Vivaldi philosophy. My default browser without any if, any but 🙂

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              • jon@social.vivaldi.netJ jon@social.vivaldi.net

                32 years ago I started working on my first browser, Opera. I left Opera in 2011, but two years later I co-founded Vivaldi. Thus I have been making browsers now for 32 years, with a short break there between 2011 and 2013.

                I have always felt that this work is important and no less today than before as more and more of you see the importance of alternatives to Big Tech.

                Vivaldi is a European company with headquarters in Norway, servers in Iceland and team in Norway, Iceland, across Europe, Japan and a couple in the US.

                We try our best to adapt to your needs. We build powerful browsers, with a lot of flexibility.

                I welcome you to try us out and share with your friends!

                #Windows #Macos #Linux #Android #iOS #TEchnology #EU #Europa #Norway #Iceland #Browser #Vivaldi #BigTech

                Link Preview Image
                Vivaldi Browser | Powerful, Personal and Private web browser

                It’s a web browser. But fun. It comes with a bunch of clever features built-in. It’s super flexible and does not track you. Get the Vivaldi browser for desktop, mobile, and your car!

                favicon

                Vivaldi Browser (vivaldi.com)

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                wrote last edited by
                #61

                @jon move away from Chrome and I'll try. The only reason to support a browser is to support diversity in the web and avoid a(nother) Google monopoly. As it is now, you're just another flavour of a Google drink.

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                • jon@social.vivaldi.netJ jon@social.vivaldi.net

                  32 years ago I started working on my first browser, Opera. I left Opera in 2011, but two years later I co-founded Vivaldi. Thus I have been making browsers now for 32 years, with a short break there between 2011 and 2013.

                  I have always felt that this work is important and no less today than before as more and more of you see the importance of alternatives to Big Tech.

                  Vivaldi is a European company with headquarters in Norway, servers in Iceland and team in Norway, Iceland, across Europe, Japan and a couple in the US.

                  We try our best to adapt to your needs. We build powerful browsers, with a lot of flexibility.

                  I welcome you to try us out and share with your friends!

                  #Windows #Macos #Linux #Android #iOS #TEchnology #EU #Europa #Norway #Iceland #Browser #Vivaldi #BigTech

                  Link Preview Image
                  Vivaldi Browser | Powerful, Personal and Private web browser

                  It’s a web browser. But fun. It comes with a bunch of clever features built-in. It’s super flexible and does not track you. Get the Vivaldi browser for desktop, mobile, and your car!

                  favicon

                  Vivaldi Browser (vivaldi.com)

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                  #62

                  @jon but the Presto engine 🥹🥲! Nah, not really. But Servo is worth looking at because you may be able to secure NGI funding for it. Or tap into all the sovereignty movements in the EU.

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                  • jon@social.vivaldi.netJ jon@social.vivaldi.net

                    32 years ago I started working on my first browser, Opera. I left Opera in 2011, but two years later I co-founded Vivaldi. Thus I have been making browsers now for 32 years, with a short break there between 2011 and 2013.

                    I have always felt that this work is important and no less today than before as more and more of you see the importance of alternatives to Big Tech.

                    Vivaldi is a European company with headquarters in Norway, servers in Iceland and team in Norway, Iceland, across Europe, Japan and a couple in the US.

                    We try our best to adapt to your needs. We build powerful browsers, with a lot of flexibility.

                    I welcome you to try us out and share with your friends!

                    #Windows #Macos #Linux #Android #iOS #TEchnology #EU #Europa #Norway #Iceland #Browser #Vivaldi #BigTech

                    Link Preview Image
                    Vivaldi Browser | Powerful, Personal and Private web browser

                    It’s a web browser. But fun. It comes with a bunch of clever features built-in. It’s super flexible and does not track you. Get the Vivaldi browser for desktop, mobile, and your car!

                    favicon

                    Vivaldi Browser (vivaldi.com)

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                    #63

                    @jon I am a super happy Vivaldi user with two major requests:

                    1) Chromium should be forked and continued as open source, degoogled browser and developed as Open Source/Community project called VIVALDIUM
                    2) Please move your webiste to Europe ahah

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                    • jon@social.vivaldi.netJ jon@social.vivaldi.net

                      There is no better feeling than the satisfaction of seeing happy users of Vivaldi. There is a reason why I and the rest of the Vivaldi team continue to work hard on building a better browser for all of you!

                      It is not always easy. Building a browser across platforms and devices is not trivial to do. Connecting them all together through sync s not trivial either. Making it work well on small and large screens, using different input methods takes a lot of work as well. Having unlimited flexibility is hard as well. This is the reason why others tend not to do it. It is a lot easier to just say that the way you design it is the right way and the user is wrong.

                      I know there are then things that some of you would like us to do, that we have not done yet. Generally we have it on our list.
                      Running on a different code base is not on our list, though. It is too much work for too little gain. It is better for us to spend resources on improving the one code base we have. The more resources we have, the more we can do. When you tell your friends about Vivaldi, you help us grow and you help us be able to do more.

                      Thanks!
                      Jon.

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                      @jon I'm convincing my mates to switch to Vivaldi , everyone I meet

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                      • jon@social.vivaldi.netJ jon@social.vivaldi.net

                        32 years ago I started working on my first browser, Opera. I left Opera in 2011, but two years later I co-founded Vivaldi. Thus I have been making browsers now for 32 years, with a short break there between 2011 and 2013.

                        I have always felt that this work is important and no less today than before as more and more of you see the importance of alternatives to Big Tech.

                        Vivaldi is a European company with headquarters in Norway, servers in Iceland and team in Norway, Iceland, across Europe, Japan and a couple in the US.

                        We try our best to adapt to your needs. We build powerful browsers, with a lot of flexibility.

                        I welcome you to try us out and share with your friends!

                        #Windows #Macos #Linux #Android #iOS #TEchnology #EU #Europa #Norway #Iceland #Browser #Vivaldi #BigTech

                        Link Preview Image
                        Vivaldi Browser | Powerful, Personal and Private web browser

                        It’s a web browser. But fun. It comes with a bunch of clever features built-in. It’s super flexible and does not track you. Get the Vivaldi browser for desktop, mobile, and your car!

                        favicon

                        Vivaldi Browser (vivaldi.com)

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                        #65

                        @jon I used Opera since 2.0 up to Opera 12 - the last true Opera. I was so happy when Vivaldi emerged bringing the legacy of Opera 12. It's a fantastic browser and so innovative. Thank you so much for this marvel

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                        • jon@social.vivaldi.netJ jon@social.vivaldi.net

                          32 years ago I started working on my first browser, Opera. I left Opera in 2011, but two years later I co-founded Vivaldi. Thus I have been making browsers now for 32 years, with a short break there between 2011 and 2013.

                          I have always felt that this work is important and no less today than before as more and more of you see the importance of alternatives to Big Tech.

                          Vivaldi is a European company with headquarters in Norway, servers in Iceland and team in Norway, Iceland, across Europe, Japan and a couple in the US.

                          We try our best to adapt to your needs. We build powerful browsers, with a lot of flexibility.

                          I welcome you to try us out and share with your friends!

                          #Windows #Macos #Linux #Android #iOS #TEchnology #EU #Europa #Norway #Iceland #Browser #Vivaldi #BigTech

                          Link Preview Image
                          Vivaldi Browser | Powerful, Personal and Private web browser

                          It’s a web browser. But fun. It comes with a bunch of clever features built-in. It’s super flexible and does not track you. Get the Vivaldi browser for desktop, mobile, and your car!

                          favicon

                          Vivaldi Browser (vivaldi.com)

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                          @jon I switched to Vivaldi several months ago, and I really like it...

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                          • lupinoarts@mstdn.socialL lupinoarts@mstdn.social

                            @Catweazle as i understand, google pays Mozilla to be their default search engine, and that is how they fund development of their render engine. But the engine itself is independent from google's code, while Chromium is developed by Google directly. My point is that Gecko could exist without Google (if Mozilla found another source of income), while Chromium does not. @alaknar @jon

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                            @LupinoArts @alaknar @jon, it's way more complicated, eg. it use googleanalytics, google-tagmanager, APIs from Amazon and some others. Google don't pay an half Billion Dollar to an browser with 4,5% market share only to be the default search engine.

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                            • jon@social.vivaldi.netJ jon@social.vivaldi.net

                              32 years ago I started working on my first browser, Opera. I left Opera in 2011, but two years later I co-founded Vivaldi. Thus I have been making browsers now for 32 years, with a short break there between 2011 and 2013.

                              I have always felt that this work is important and no less today than before as more and more of you see the importance of alternatives to Big Tech.

                              Vivaldi is a European company with headquarters in Norway, servers in Iceland and team in Norway, Iceland, across Europe, Japan and a couple in the US.

                              We try our best to adapt to your needs. We build powerful browsers, with a lot of flexibility.

                              I welcome you to try us out and share with your friends!

                              #Windows #Macos #Linux #Android #iOS #TEchnology #EU #Europa #Norway #Iceland #Browser #Vivaldi #BigTech

                              Link Preview Image
                              Vivaldi Browser | Powerful, Personal and Private web browser

                              It’s a web browser. But fun. It comes with a bunch of clever features built-in. It’s super flexible and does not track you. Get the Vivaldi browser for desktop, mobile, and your car!

                              favicon

                              Vivaldi Browser (vivaldi.com)

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                              @jon hello, and thank you.

                              Can we address the bookmark ux/UI experience though?

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