so i got a steam deck (i wanted one for a while & the threat of them running out of DRAM because of AI demand is looming)
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@whitequark My install seems to be 'only' 79 GB.
Mind you, I run Vivado in a Docker container on macOS with Rosetta2, which turned out to be easier than installing it on Windows.
@david_chisnall yeah so you need at least twice that amount unless you're installing it through the 'online' installer (i usually don't)
i think the latest version is closer to 120 GB
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@r yeah this is like most of what was driving my decisions. i don't even know if i'll like the form factor! but if i don't, it's put together well enough that i should have zero issues reselling it
@whitequark fwiw we quite like it, but we also think the form factor is being *very* underutilized (as far as we understand it, due to limitations of the Gamer
️ middleware ecosystem)notably: trackpad ~= mouse, *not* thumbsticks! (this *used* to be a huge part of valve marketing materials, but they've been repeating it less and less)
we're also a heavy user of "flick stick + gyro", but that one might be divisive
on the "platform" level, it's a rare x86 device that supports USB DRD, if you enjoy cursedness (also top example of giving a shit: all the kernel support is enabled and shipped even though this function isn't used by the rest of the software stack)
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@david_chisnall yeah so you need at least twice that amount unless you're installing it through the 'online' installer (i usually don't)
i think the latest version is closer to 120 GB
@whitequark I think I used the online installer.
It's a bit of a blur, I tried repeatedly to install it on a Windows machine and failed before I went to Docker on the Mac.
Their export control thing is the worst UI I have seen in a long time.
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@whitequark I think I used the online installer.
It's a bit of a blur, I tried repeatedly to install it on a Windows machine and failed before I went to Docker on the Mac.
Their export control thing is the worst UI I have seen in a long time.
@david_chisnall it's quite absurdly bad, yes.
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@david_chisnall yeah so you need at least twice that amount unless you're installing it through the 'online' installer (i usually don't)
i think the latest version is closer to 120 GB
@whitequark
@david_chisnall Which is not all that unusual a size for a game these days... I guess the Steam Deck is a suitable enough device for it.I have my Steam Deck upgraded to 2 TB with a 1 TB SD (SanDisk now has a 1.5 TB card too). Gotta have as much space as possible to buy games on sale, install them, and not play them.
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@whitequark
@david_chisnall Which is not all that unusual a size for a game these days... I guess the Steam Deck is a suitable enough device for it.I have my Steam Deck upgraded to 2 TB with a 1 TB SD (SanDisk now has a 1.5 TB card too). Gotta have as much space as possible to buy games on sale, install them, and not play them.
@ids1024 @david_chisnall i am in the UK which has real internet (1 Gbps down) so i don't worry too much about downloading every game possible
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@ids1024 @david_chisnall i am in the UK which has real internet (1 Gbps down) so i don't worry too much about downloading every game possible
@whitequark @david_chisnall Yeah, until the fiber company decides to grace this side street with their benevolence, I can't really start a download on a modern game and expect to be running the game on the same day.
We have stone age infrastructure here in... err... the San Francisco Bay Area. Presumably all the money is going to AI instead.
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so i got a steam deck (i wanted one for a while & the threat of them running out of DRAM because of AI demand is looming)
it's... it's really nice. someone actually gave a shit while designing this PC hardware and software. rare and pleasant
@whitequark i want the game cube orr Stanley steamer or the stem cube or whatever based solely on the strength of the steam desk
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i'm going to install Vivado on it
you think i was joking
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you think i was joking
@whitequark amazing you can just install a unified AMD on it.
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you think i was joking
@whitequark I don't think a single soul thought you were joking
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@whitequark
> cat gets electronics tooling? installs games on it of course.
> cat gets a gaming machine? well EDA is really the obvious option isn't it@mei @whitequark waiting to see you post about playing doom on a Palladium
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@whitequark
> cat gets electronics tooling? installs games on it of course.
> cat gets a gaming machine? well EDA is really the obvious option isn't it@mei @whitequark still planning to install @gnuradio on a R36S
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you think i was joking
@whitequark "return to gaming mode" wdym gaben vivado *is* gaming
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you think i was joking
@whitequark “certain cats do it all the time”, “it’s fine as long as you don’t vibecode”, “isn’t it export-controlled now?”
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@whitequark “certain cats do it all the time”, “it’s fine as long as you don’t vibecode”, “isn’t it export-controlled now?”
@promovicz it is in fact export-controlled and has been for as long as i've been using it
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you think i was joking
it needed some convincing but it runs!
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it needed some convincing but it runs!
now for the real test of steam deck's utility: how fast can it pnr
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you think i was joking
@whitequark I would never
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now for the real test of steam deck's utility: how fast can it pnr
@whitequark according to one benchmark, it has some strange CPU memory bandwidth issues ( https://chipsandcheese.com/p/van-gogh-amds-steam-deck-apu )
but overall still performs quite well for the "ultra-mobile" (do they still use that term?) device class. doesn't throttle for no reason, for one