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i wish the tech industry would just collapse already

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  • sabik@rants.auS sabik@rants.au

    @bri7 @eniko @dragonfi
    Except there's no intent behind the code, and there's probably more of it

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    @sabik @bri7 @eniko

    I think this is why it just tires me out, instead of working with my code, I need to re-read and understand the new generated one.

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    • dragonfi@social.jsteuernagel.deD dragonfi@social.jsteuernagel.de

      @sabik @bri7 @eniko

      I think this is why it just tires me out, instead of working with my code, I need to re-read and understand the new generated one.

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      @dragonfi @sabik @eniko i think it does have intent- the prompter’s intent; not any of its own. it seems to do best with problems that look kind of like translation. which is also its limitations; it can’t really do any work you didn’t already do. it can only transform it into a different “language”.

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      • dragonfi@social.jsteuernagel.deD dragonfi@social.jsteuernagel.de

        @sabik @bri7 @eniko

        I think this is why it just tires me out, instead of working with my code, I need to re-read and understand the new generated one.

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        @sabik @bri7 @eniko

        In addition, when I do it the hard way I get a good understanding of what is happening. With generated code, I can at most verify that it works, with a high chance that some details -- that I would have stumbled into otherwise -- would completely elude me.

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        • dragonfi@social.jsteuernagel.deD dragonfi@social.jsteuernagel.de

          @sabik @bri7 @eniko

          In addition, when I do it the hard way I get a good understanding of what is happening. With generated code, I can at most verify that it works, with a high chance that some details -- that I would have stumbled into otherwise -- would completely elude me.

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          @dragonfi @bri7 @eniko
          Reducing the number of people who understand the code, which is often already smaller than ideal

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          • bri7@social.treehouse.systemsB bri7@social.treehouse.systems

            @dragonfi @sabik @eniko i think it does have intent- the prompter’s intent; not any of its own. it seems to do best with problems that look kind of like translation. which is also its limitations; it can’t really do any work you didn’t already do. it can only transform it into a different “language”.

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            @dragonfi @sabik @eniko the whole think kind of reminds me of this bit of UI research done in the 1980s, that whenever i talk about it here i get a whole bunch of people really mad at me:

            keyboard shortcuts don’t save any actual time. But they do make it feel like you’re saving time.

            this really upsets the vim people

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            • bri7@social.treehouse.systemsB bri7@social.treehouse.systems

              @dragonfi @sabik @eniko the whole think kind of reminds me of this bit of UI research done in the 1980s, that whenever i talk about it here i get a whole bunch of people really mad at me:

              keyboard shortcuts don’t save any actual time. But they do make it feel like you’re saving time.

              this really upsets the vim people

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              @dragonfi @sabik @eniko the sense i get is that some people really don’t want to accept that their perceptions of reality could possibly be inaccurate

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              • bri7@social.treehouse.systemsB bri7@social.treehouse.systems

                @dragonfi @sabik @eniko the whole think kind of reminds me of this bit of UI research done in the 1980s, that whenever i talk about it here i get a whole bunch of people really mad at me:

                keyboard shortcuts don’t save any actual time. But they do make it feel like you’re saving time.

                this really upsets the vim people

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                @bri7 @sabik @eniko

                I um... ehem. Yes it might. I use vim.

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                • dragonfi@social.jsteuernagel.deD dragonfi@social.jsteuernagel.de

                  @bri7 @sabik @eniko

                  I um... ehem. Yes it might. I use vim.

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                  @dragonfi @sabik @eniko well, there’s the thing that even if keyboard shortcuts does save time, it’s as we just established optimising the wrong thing; most of the time spent programming is reading and understanding code. None of these tools make that more efficient or faster

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                  • dragonfi@social.jsteuernagel.deD dragonfi@social.jsteuernagel.de

                    @bri7 @sabik @eniko

                    I um... ehem. Yes it might. I use vim.

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                    @bri7 @sabik @eniko

                    I think vim binds achieve two things for me:

                    1. I don't get RSI from Emacs or navigating 4 submenus.
                    2. Familiarity means I stay in the flow instead of wrangling the UI. I believe a good CLI would achieve the same.

                    Mouse is better at spatial and analog selection/manipulation. Keyboard is better at reproducibility and precise, well-defined actions.

                    I would never try to select an object in Blender via keyboard, but typing [E]xtrude 1.0, or text searching for Subdivide in the comman menu certainly beats using mouse only.

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                    • dragonfi@social.jsteuernagel.deD dragonfi@social.jsteuernagel.de

                      @bri7 @sabik @eniko

                      I think vim binds achieve two things for me:

                      1. I don't get RSI from Emacs or navigating 4 submenus.
                      2. Familiarity means I stay in the flow instead of wrangling the UI. I believe a good CLI would achieve the same.

                      Mouse is better at spatial and analog selection/manipulation. Keyboard is better at reproducibility and precise, well-defined actions.

                      I would never try to select an object in Blender via keyboard, but typing [E]xtrude 1.0, or text searching for Subdivide in the comman menu certainly beats using mouse only.

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                      @dragonfi @sabik @eniko right. it feels faster

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                      • bri7@social.treehouse.systemsB bri7@social.treehouse.systems

                        @dragonfi @sabik @eniko well, there’s the thing that even if keyboard shortcuts does save time, it’s as we just established optimising the wrong thing; most of the time spent programming is reading and understanding code. None of these tools make that more efficient or faster

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                        @bri7 @sabik @eniko

                        Bad UX involving precise positioning of the mouse can pull me out of flow though.

                        Although, accidentally pressing CapsLock in vim also does that.

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                        • bri7@social.treehouse.systemsB bri7@social.treehouse.systems

                          @dragonfi @sabik @eniko right. it feels faster

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                          @bri7 @sabik @eniko

                          Not just faster, more precise and less fiddly. But that is 3D modeling.

                          I also agree that it doesn't worth the effort to learn keybinds you don't use a hundred times a day. (Look at pro Starcraft players, they have a valid reason to learn their most used keybinds to increase their Actions Per Minute.)

                          For code editing, I agree that there is no real difference between: (Shift-arrow to select line, Backspace) and "dd". I'm reading code way more than I write it.

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