"I tried building my startup entirely on European infrastructure.
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"I tried building my startup entirely on European infrastructure. Here's the stack I landed on, what was harder than expected, and what you still can't avoid."
"Made in EU" - it was harder than I thought.
I tried building my startup entirely on European infrastructure. Here's the stack I landed on, what was harder than expected, and what you still can't avoid.
Coinerella (www.coinerella.com)
We need more stories like this being shared in the open. You can criticise some parts of the decisions made here, but that's not the point. Someone tried, learned and shares the result. *That's* the point.
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"I tried building my startup entirely on European infrastructure. Here's the stack I landed on, what was harder than expected, and what you still can't avoid."
"Made in EU" - it was harder than I thought.
I tried building my startup entirely on European infrastructure. Here's the stack I landed on, what was harder than expected, and what you still can't avoid.
Coinerella (www.coinerella.com)
We need more stories like this being shared in the open. You can criticise some parts of the decisions made here, but that's not the point. Someone tried, learned and shares the result. *That's* the point.
@jwildeboer let us know if we can help with Videohosting! @alugha
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"I tried building my startup entirely on European infrastructure. Here's the stack I landed on, what was harder than expected, and what you still can't avoid."
"Made in EU" - it was harder than I thought.
I tried building my startup entirely on European infrastructure. Here's the stack I landed on, what was harder than expected, and what you still can't avoid.
Coinerella (www.coinerella.com)
We need more stories like this being shared in the open. You can criticise some parts of the decisions made here, but that's not the point. Someone tried, learned and shares the result. *That's* the point.
@jwildeboer That's excellent. I moved one of my clients from AWS to Scaleway. They're very small or it might have been a struggle. At the time the lack of IAC support was a problem. It's definitely getting better. I think if people don't move off US oligarchy cloud services soon they're in for a very rude awakening, so hopefully the market shift will trigger some investments in European sovereign infrastructure.
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"I tried building my startup entirely on European infrastructure. Here's the stack I landed on, what was harder than expected, and what you still can't avoid."
"Made in EU" - it was harder than I thought.
I tried building my startup entirely on European infrastructure. Here's the stack I landed on, what was harder than expected, and what you still can't avoid.
Coinerella (www.coinerella.com)
We need more stories like this being shared in the open. You can criticise some parts of the decisions made here, but that's not the point. Someone tried, learned and shares the result. *That's* the point.
@jwildeboer interesting view but was harder meant or more complex more apt? Perhaps, as it is new learning, it being challenging would be expected anyhow.
As more people favour European solutions, the documenation and supoort forums should improve no end.
Thanks for the post.
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"I tried building my startup entirely on European infrastructure. Here's the stack I landed on, what was harder than expected, and what you still can't avoid."
"Made in EU" - it was harder than I thought.
I tried building my startup entirely on European infrastructure. Here's the stack I landed on, what was harder than expected, and what you still can't avoid.
Coinerella (www.coinerella.com)
We need more stories like this being shared in the open. You can criticise some parts of the decisions made here, but that's not the point. Someone tried, learned and shares the result. *That's* the point.
@jwildeboer
Here are some links:Metin Seven 🎨 (@metin@graphics.social)
Want to move from US-based apps and services to Europe-based ones? Useful links… https://european-alternatives.eu https://euroalternative.co https://www.switch-to.eu/en https://www.goeuropean.org https://eutechmap.com/map https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/%F0%9F%87%AA%F0%9F%87%BA-european-alternatives-to-american-apps.46070 https://www.privacytools.io https://www.privacyguides.org/en/tools https://eurotechguide.com https://switching.software https://codeberg.org/ADHDefy/delightful-creative-tools Big freeware / open source list: https://cryptpad.fr/pad/#/2/pad/edit/3tPYpALSRBVZ5od-0YfEKp+l #EU #europe #USA #apps #software #tech #tips #FreeSoftware #free #FOSS #OpenSource
Graphics.social (graphics.social)
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"I tried building my startup entirely on European infrastructure. Here's the stack I landed on, what was harder than expected, and what you still can't avoid."
"Made in EU" - it was harder than I thought.
I tried building my startup entirely on European infrastructure. Here's the stack I landed on, what was harder than expected, and what you still can't avoid.
Coinerella (www.coinerella.com)
We need more stories like this being shared in the open. You can criticise some parts of the decisions made here, but that's not the point. Someone tried, learned and shares the result. *That's* the point.
“But "Made in EU" is still a choice you have to actively make, not one you can passively fall into.”
Some of this is definitely something we have to work on; preferably together and out in the open.
Some parts of it, will never go away. Part of becoming autonomous means taking back responsibility for choices, and dealing with the resulting friction, as well as being okay with having to negotiate and compromise in working together with others (people and systems).
Precisely because that’s what autonomy means.
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"I tried building my startup entirely on European infrastructure. Here's the stack I landed on, what was harder than expected, and what you still can't avoid."
"Made in EU" - it was harder than I thought.
I tried building my startup entirely on European infrastructure. Here's the stack I landed on, what was harder than expected, and what you still can't avoid.
Coinerella (www.coinerella.com)
We need more stories like this being shared in the open. You can criticise some parts of the decisions made here, but that's not the point. Someone tried, learned and shares the result. *That's* the point.
@jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.net
I sometimes wonder whether, as a US-based person, it might not still make sense to move my vanity-domains to a non-US alternative to Linode (for my needs, a hyperscaler's pricing structure just never makes sense). The idea first popped up when Linode got bought by Akmai, but was really only ever notional. With the fuckery around Trump 2.0, it was a smidge more than just notional ...but still a very low-priority brain-bug. -
R relay@relay.mycrowd.ca shared this topic
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"I tried building my startup entirely on European infrastructure. Here's the stack I landed on, what was harder than expected, and what you still can't avoid."
"Made in EU" - it was harder than I thought.
I tried building my startup entirely on European infrastructure. Here's the stack I landed on, what was harder than expected, and what you still can't avoid.
Coinerella (www.coinerella.com)
We need more stories like this being shared in the open. You can criticise some parts of the decisions made here, but that's not the point. Someone tried, learned and shares the result. *That's* the point.
@jwildeboer The page lacks any details whatsoever - especially about roadblock that popped up and any workarounds. Perphaps good enough for a personal project, but not for an actual business that looks to be "made in EU".
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"I tried building my startup entirely on European infrastructure. Here's the stack I landed on, what was harder than expected, and what you still can't avoid."
"Made in EU" - it was harder than I thought.
I tried building my startup entirely on European infrastructure. Here's the stack I landed on, what was harder than expected, and what you still can't avoid.
Coinerella (www.coinerella.com)
We need more stories like this being shared in the open. You can criticise some parts of the decisions made here, but that's not the point. Someone tried, learned and shares the result. *That's* the point.
@jwildeboer for AI not trying Mistral? It's EU right?
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"I tried building my startup entirely on European infrastructure. Here's the stack I landed on, what was harder than expected, and what you still can't avoid."
"Made in EU" - it was harder than I thought.
I tried building my startup entirely on European infrastructure. Here's the stack I landed on, what was harder than expected, and what you still can't avoid.
Coinerella (www.coinerella.com)
We need more stories like this being shared in the open. You can criticise some parts of the decisions made here, but that's not the point. Someone tried, learned and shares the result. *That's* the point.
@jwildeboer And there is a new (but well known) player on the cdn-market: https://www.varnish-cdn.com/
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"I tried building my startup entirely on European infrastructure. Here's the stack I landed on, what was harder than expected, and what you still can't avoid."
"Made in EU" - it was harder than I thought.
I tried building my startup entirely on European infrastructure. Here's the stack I landed on, what was harder than expected, and what you still can't avoid.
Coinerella (www.coinerella.com)
We need more stories like this being shared in the open. You can criticise some parts of the decisions made here, but that's not the point. Someone tried, learned and shares the result. *That's* the point.
@jwildeboer "Leaving GitHub" and "walking away feels like leaving a city you've lived in for a decade."
People I guess really live in GitHub or got used to it... which is fair but scary to feel like it's "leaving a city you've lived in for a decade." - Guess that is for a lot of things and a shakeup can make us better in #moving. Like moving #house / #city...
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"I tried building my startup entirely on European infrastructure. Here's the stack I landed on, what was harder than expected, and what you still can't avoid."
"Made in EU" - it was harder than I thought.
I tried building my startup entirely on European infrastructure. Here's the stack I landed on, what was harder than expected, and what you still can't avoid.
Coinerella (www.coinerella.com)
We need more stories like this being shared in the open. You can criticise some parts of the decisions made here, but that's not the point. Someone tried, learned and shares the result. *That's* the point.
@jwildeboer very much depends how simple your system is and the external dependencies. I find that running my own email easier and less fiddling around than outsourcing that, self-hosting plain git is trivial, limiting use of AI to dedicated models in niche use cases rather than massive LLM means it's easier to host.
But then, I've had decades of application hosting and ISP experience so know the pitfalls. -
@jwildeboer for AI not trying Mistral? It's EU right?
@edthix @jwildeboer OOP explicity says they want Claude. Some people have a personal lock-in for a specific AI already. This is to be expected, and explains why Copilot and Kiro are being pushed on Azure and AWS customers with extreme force: if you can get people used to the flavor of your LLM, they might never want to leave anymore, because they'll talk to their LLM more than to any human probably.
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@jwildeboer very much depends how simple your system is and the external dependencies. I find that running my own email easier and less fiddling around than outsourcing that, self-hosting plain git is trivial, limiting use of AI to dedicated models in niche use cases rather than massive LLM means it's easier to host.
But then, I've had decades of application hosting and ISP experience so know the pitfalls.@jwildeboer also, regarding keeping things simple. if your business model doesn't depend on third party ad placement on your pages or analytics then it makes GDPR a breeze, no cookie banners needed. That in itself is a huge sales conversion benefit if you don't need to interrupt the flow with unnecessary interruptions. #ux #gdpr
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"I tried building my startup entirely on European infrastructure. Here's the stack I landed on, what was harder than expected, and what you still can't avoid."
"Made in EU" - it was harder than I thought.
I tried building my startup entirely on European infrastructure. Here's the stack I landed on, what was harder than expected, and what you still can't avoid.
Coinerella (www.coinerella.com)
We need more stories like this being shared in the open. You can criticise some parts of the decisions made here, but that's not the point. Someone tried, learned and shares the result. *That's* the point.
@jwildeboer Great … but why? I also have a startup (used to be an IT guy for 30 years) not thinking about doing this myself. I want to work on my startup … not my IT environment
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@jwildeboer Great … but why? I also have a startup (used to be an IT guy for 30 years) not thinking about doing this myself. I want to work on my startup … not my IT environment
@theodorus_75 Fine with me. I guess you simply are not the target audience for this article :))
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@jwildeboer very much depends how simple your system is and the external dependencies. I find that running my own email easier and less fiddling around than outsourcing that, self-hosting plain git is trivial, limiting use of AI to dedicated models in niche use cases rather than massive LLM means it's easier to host.
But then, I've had decades of application hosting and ISP experience so know the pitfalls.@zymurgic how do you make sure that gmail and other big providers accept your emails?
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@zymurgic how do you make sure that gmail and other big providers accept your emails?
@ArneBab @jwildeboer
1. Get your outbound IP address ranges from a reputable supplier, ie not lowest-common-denominator mass-market retail ISP. L2TP tunnel them to where your system is hosted from a reputable supplier if you have to.
2. Matching Forward/Reverse DNS.
3. DMARC, DKIM, SPF.
4. Never send anything unsolicited to anyone ever.
5. Only ever email existing customers about updates to their current services or their current orders.
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@zymurgic how do you make sure that gmail and other big providers accept your emails?
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@ArneBab @jwildeboer
1. Get your outbound IP address ranges from a reputable supplier, ie not lowest-common-denominator mass-market retail ISP. L2TP tunnel them to where your system is hosted from a reputable supplier if you have to.
2. Matching Forward/Reverse DNS.
3. DMARC, DKIM, SPF.
4. Never send anything unsolicited to anyone ever.
5. Only ever email existing customers about updates to their current services or their current orders.
6. Use a domain name that isn't new with good reputation.@zymurgic thank you!
I’m asking because I know that my old university had a lot of problems with that (sending a newsletter once a year about the yearly conference to a few thousand subscribers and making sure to actually reach them all).
@jwildeboer
