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  • patrick@retro.socialP patrick@retro.social

    @ohmu Not sure what the charging situation looks like in your neck of the woods, but around here we had the options of "type 2" and "type 2 + CCS" charging, slow and fast respectively. In some places it's getting hard to find a slow charger, so I wish we had gone for the fast one, but we saved on that. I guess the lesson being: future proof power connectors as much as possible.

    Also: pretty much no matter what model, the multimedia systems suck, and software maintenance is spotty. As such we're happy that we didn't go for the maximum software features but do navigation etc through Android Auto (yeah, bleargh. But: there are reverse engineering efforts for that, at least).

    Finally, the battery (of 2020) is rock-solid. These days the estimate is that batteries survive the rest of the car, and given what we see, that's believable. We "rent" our battery, which means that the manufacturer takes it back when it's at 70% capacity (making recycling a Somebody Else's Problem), but I think we might have done better paying upfront.

    tl;dr: Spend more if it means more charging options. Don't waste money on the multimedia system.

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    @patrick
    Brilliant. Thank you!

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    • joxn@wandering.shopJ joxn@wandering.shop

      @ohmu We had a dedicated charger installed but I think if we hadn’t needed to run a 30 amp / 220V circuit to the same location in order to install a wheelchair elevator, we could have done fine with trickle charging off of a dedicated 110V outlet. We set the car to do most of its charging in off-peak (i.e., cheaper) hours, so it’s plugged in overnight anyway.

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      @joXn
      That's two votes that a 110v charger worked out fine. Awesome! Thank you!

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      • hermannus@stegodon.nlH hermannus@stegodon.nl

        @nosrednayduj @ohmu I meant a Leaf with a larger pack. For one because of the reasons you mention

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        @hermannus
        Why but a big battery? That's exactly the money I was hoping not to spend.
        Context: We have an ICE car that will last forever for driving anything like a long distance.

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        • ohmu@social.seattle.wa.usO ohmu@social.seattle.wa.us

          @hermannus
          Why but a big battery? That's exactly the money I was hoping not to spend.
          Context: We have an ICE car that will last forever for driving anything like a long distance.

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          @ohmu why you want to buy an EV? There's your answer. That's why there's two of them here now. One with larger range and one smaller (which is still 150 miles)

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          • ohmu@social.seattle.wa.usO ohmu@social.seattle.wa.us

            @hermannus
            Why but a big battery? That's exactly the money I was hoping not to spend.
            Context: We have an ICE car that will last forever for driving anything like a long distance.

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            @ohmu oh and I don't know how it is with you, but here we have dynamic electricity prices. So that gives us a margin in when to charge

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            • hermannus@stegodon.nlH hermannus@stegodon.nl

              @ohmu why you want to buy an EV? There's your answer. That's why there's two of them here now. One with larger range and one smaller (which is still 150 miles)

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              @hermannus
              Large volume grocery runs. Commuting.

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              • ohmu@social.seattle.wa.usO ohmu@social.seattle.wa.us

                #cars
                Did you learn anything from buying your electric car?
                We plan to buy a cheap Leaf or something similar soon.

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                @ohmu I bought a 2019 Tesla Model 3 six years ago.

                * Great car to drive
                * Never had any range anxiety, even on very long drives
                * Rapid charges like it stole the electricity (15 minutes on average)
                * Collision detection is a bit too sensitive (slowing down without any visible obstruction)
                * Full Self Driving ... isn't...
                * Social stigma due to the muskrat is too much for me to consider buying another one
                * Fuel costs (in Norway) went from about 250 USD/month with my diesel BMW, to less than 50 USD now. I do almost all my charging at home, only using public charging when driving very long distances.

                I'd probably go for a VW iD7 estate, or a Polestar 2, if I were getting a new car today. I'd not consider a pre-facelift Leaf, but the newer models have decent range, and a bit of poke in the motor, so those are quite good. My neighbour drives one, and is very happy with it.

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                • ohmu@social.seattle.wa.usO ohmu@social.seattle.wa.us

                  #cars
                  Did you learn anything from buying your electric car?
                  We plan to buy a cheap Leaf or something similar soon.

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                  @ohmu my big caution is that Leaf batteries have poor thermal management and degrade much more than most other EV batteries. Their cost of entry is low, but a battery replacement within a few years is not out of the question. Also the older ones at least, still use CHADEMO which is a much harder plug format to find in the wild than CCS or NACS

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                  • stenpett@mstdn.gamesS stenpett@mstdn.games

                    @ohmu I bought a 2019 Tesla Model 3 six years ago.

                    * Great car to drive
                    * Never had any range anxiety, even on very long drives
                    * Rapid charges like it stole the electricity (15 minutes on average)
                    * Collision detection is a bit too sensitive (slowing down without any visible obstruction)
                    * Full Self Driving ... isn't...
                    * Social stigma due to the muskrat is too much for me to consider buying another one
                    * Fuel costs (in Norway) went from about 250 USD/month with my diesel BMW, to less than 50 USD now. I do almost all my charging at home, only using public charging when driving very long distances.

                    I'd probably go for a VW iD7 estate, or a Polestar 2, if I were getting a new car today. I'd not consider a pre-facelift Leaf, but the newer models have decent range, and a bit of poke in the motor, so those are quite good. My neighbour drives one, and is very happy with it.

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                    @stenpett @ohmu I got the ID.4 on a super cheap lease and it is pretty enjoyable. The only issue for me is the weight. Checking in at 6000lbs is a bit much and tends to chew up some tires and probably brakes too.

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                    • klardotsh@merveilles.townK klardotsh@merveilles.town

                      @ohmu my big caution is that Leaf batteries have poor thermal management and degrade much more than most other EV batteries. Their cost of entry is low, but a battery replacement within a few years is not out of the question. Also the older ones at least, still use CHADEMO which is a much harder plug format to find in the wild than CCS or NACS

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                      @klardotsh
                      Very good to know!

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                      • myphatself@mstdn.socialM myphatself@mstdn.social

                        @stenpett @ohmu I got the ID.4 on a super cheap lease and it is pretty enjoyable. The only issue for me is the weight. Checking in at 6000lbs is a bit much and tends to chew up some tires and probably brakes too.

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                        @Myphatself @stenpett
                        That's heavy! Thank you.

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                        • myphatself@mstdn.socialM myphatself@mstdn.social

                          @stenpett @ohmu I got the ID.4 on a super cheap lease and it is pretty enjoyable. The only issue for me is the weight. Checking in at 6000lbs is a bit much and tends to chew up some tires and probably brakes too.

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                          ooo I bet that’s bad for gravel roads too

                          All I want is a kei truck and roads it’s safe to drive it on

                          @Myphatself @stenpett @ohmu

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                          • clew@ecoevo.socialC clew@ecoevo.social

                            ooo I bet that’s bad for gravel roads too

                            All I want is a kei truck and roads it’s safe to drive it on

                            @Myphatself @stenpett @ohmu

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                            @clew @Myphatself @stenpett
                            So badly! An electric Kei truck is my dream.
                            But it's gonna be years before I can handle that kind of project.

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                            • ohmu@social.seattle.wa.usO ohmu@social.seattle.wa.us

                              #cars
                              Did you learn anything from buying your electric car?
                              We plan to buy a cheap Leaf or something similar soon.

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                              @ohmu I drive a '26 Subaru Solterra and really love it. It was pretty pricey though, and previous model year Solterras are pretty crap.

                              Edit: oh, and it's heavy for a car at 4,400 lbs, but I'm not sure how that stacks up against other EVs.

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                              • ohmu@social.seattle.wa.usO ohmu@social.seattle.wa.us

                                @clew @Myphatself @stenpett
                                So badly! An electric Kei truck is my dream.
                                But it's gonna be years before I can handle that kind of project.

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                                @ohmu @clew @Myphatself Sign me up for an electric Kei truck as well!

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                                • stenpett@mstdn.gamesS stenpett@mstdn.games

                                  @ohmu @clew @Myphatself Sign me up for an electric Kei truck as well!

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                                  @stenpett @ohmu @clew me too. They did jist allow them on our highways.

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                                  • myphatself@mstdn.socialM myphatself@mstdn.social

                                    @stenpett @ohmu @clew me too. They did jist allow them on our highways.

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                                    I’m not sure *Id* feel safe, especially at night. I mean, I’m getting a little anxious in a hatchback realizing that sometimes I just look like a gap between bigger vehicles.

                                    @Myphatself @stenpett @ohmu

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                                    • clew@ecoevo.socialC clew@ecoevo.social

                                      I’m not sure *Id* feel safe, especially at night. I mean, I’m getting a little anxious in a hatchback realizing that sometimes I just look like a gap between bigger vehicles.

                                      @Myphatself @stenpett @ohmu

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                                      @clew @Myphatself @ohmu Blinking yellow hazard light on the roof. Job's a good'n. 😄

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                                      • ohmu@social.seattle.wa.usO ohmu@social.seattle.wa.us

                                        #cars
                                        Did you learn anything from buying your electric car?
                                        We plan to buy a cheap Leaf or something similar soon.

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                                        @ohmu we had a Chevy spark for a few years and loved it despite its limited range. But gm stopped manufacturing parts for it, so when it stopped working last year, they just shrugged and tried to sell me a new one.

                                        Lesson: if you buy it used, make sure the manufacturer still makes the same car with the same parts and plans to continue doing so.

                                        Also fuck gm what the fuck

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                                        • portlandy@pdx.socialP portlandy@pdx.social

                                          @ohmu we had a Chevy spark for a few years and loved it despite its limited range. But gm stopped manufacturing parts for it, so when it stopped working last year, they just shrugged and tried to sell me a new one.

                                          Lesson: if you buy it used, make sure the manufacturer still makes the same car with the same parts and plans to continue doing so.

                                          Also fuck gm what the fuck

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                                          @ohmu oh be sure to take a look at https://linh.social/@qlp/115891689704472587

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