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  • robin@social.riley.pubR This user is from outside of this forum
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    RE: https://hachyderm.io/@petrillic/116337502667369228

    Me: *holds the line on ethics throughout my entire career*

    Someone I spoke to last night after I had a couple drinks: I'm glad I don't have to worry about ethics, our company works for _everybody_

    Me: I ... I don't think we're prepared for this conversation

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      RE: https://hachyderm.io/@petrillic/116337502667369228

      Me: *holds the line on ethics throughout my entire career*

      Someone I spoke to last night after I had a couple drinks: I'm glad I don't have to worry about ethics, our company works for _everybody_

      Me: I ... I don't think we're prepared for this conversation

      robin@social.riley.pubR This user is from outside of this forum
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      This isn't to say I haven't worked for dubious companies. I mean Google's an obvious one.

      But my roles in places like that were generally about giving money, code, and knowledge away freely, and I always knew my hands weren't clean.

      We do make compromises. It's inevitable in the world as it is. But let's not pretend that neutrality or willingness to take anyone's money removes ethics from the equation 🫠

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        This isn't to say I haven't worked for dubious companies. I mean Google's an obvious one.

        But my roles in places like that were generally about giving money, code, and knowledge away freely, and I always knew my hands weren't clean.

        We do make compromises. It's inevitable in the world as it is. But let's not pretend that neutrality or willingness to take anyone's money removes ethics from the equation 🫠

        greg@social.coopG This user is from outside of this forum
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        @robin I had a quick conversation with my oldest last night where I did the usual talk re "the best minds of my generation are building addiction machines" and mentioned something like "someone in my role would make almost a million dollars a year" (I didn't get into what stock options are ;)).

        His response? "Why don't you?"

        Little shit 😉

        (I've been nonprofit only since my undergrad fast food summer job.)

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          @robin I had a quick conversation with my oldest last night where I did the usual talk re "the best minds of my generation are building addiction machines" and mentioned something like "someone in my role would make almost a million dollars a year" (I didn't get into what stock options are ;)).

          His response? "Why don't you?"

          Little shit 😉

          (I've been nonprofit only since my undergrad fast food summer job.)

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          @Greg LOL that response. Good for you for leading by example and having that conversation!

          My high school senior class voted me most likely to be first to earn millions. They were so wrong 😂

          The sacrifices sting in the short term, but so necessary and worth it for the long term. We owe it to each other and future generations!

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          • robin@social.riley.pubR robin@social.riley.pub

            This isn't to say I haven't worked for dubious companies. I mean Google's an obvious one.

            But my roles in places like that were generally about giving money, code, and knowledge away freely, and I always knew my hands weren't clean.

            We do make compromises. It's inevitable in the world as it is. But let's not pretend that neutrality or willingness to take anyone's money removes ethics from the equation 🫠

            miclgael@hachyderm.ioM This user is from outside of this forum
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            @robin yeah, also not perfect but I make some deliberate choices that limit my options and lead to big sacrifices in order to not be evil. I'm still here. It is possible!

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            • robin@social.riley.pubR robin@social.riley.pub

              This isn't to say I haven't worked for dubious companies. I mean Google's an obvious one.

              But my roles in places like that were generally about giving money, code, and knowledge away freely, and I always knew my hands weren't clean.

              We do make compromises. It's inevitable in the world as it is. But let's not pretend that neutrality or willingness to take anyone's money removes ethics from the equation 🫠

              starkrg@myside-yourside.netS This user is from outside of this forum
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              @robin I've literally heard someone use the idea that there's no ethical consumption under capitalism to excuse unethical consumption rather than as a reason to try as hard as you can to mitigate the problem. There may not be ethical consumption under capitalism, but you also don't need to dump puppies into a wood chipper because you didn't have any branches.

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              • starkrg@myside-yourside.netS starkrg@myside-yourside.net

                @robin I've literally heard someone use the idea that there's no ethical consumption under capitalism to excuse unethical consumption rather than as a reason to try as hard as you can to mitigate the problem. There may not be ethical consumption under capitalism, but you also don't need to dump puppies into a wood chipper because you didn't have any branches.

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                @StarkRG 😱 that is horrifying. " ... And therefore we don't even need to try" is a selfish and self-defeating logic in every space it pops up.

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                  @kattekrab @Greg I do wonder... Probably many factors but one that strikes me:

                  In the US the puritanical work ethic — already problematic — seems to have been exploited by the capital class to further divorce us from meaning and lash us to centering money and productivity above all else.

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