In a recent comparison of engagement around a Leave
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@anthropy someone commented about an opposite experience.
@everton137 ohh right, I misread the first part, makes sense, thanks.
I can't speak for the people you're trying to poll here (so I didn't vote), but if I am to personally guess, the lack of algorithm is a double edged thing, especially for smaller accounts, but also for larger ones; you have to (re-)boost your important takes a few times for them to actually reach your audience, as it may just end up piled under "background noise". tags also help there. Bluesky's Discover feed has an algorithm
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@everton137 ohh right, I misread the first part, makes sense, thanks.
I can't speak for the people you're trying to poll here (so I didn't vote), but if I am to personally guess, the lack of algorithm is a double edged thing, especially for smaller accounts, but also for larger ones; you have to (re-)boost your important takes a few times for them to actually reach your audience, as it may just end up piled under "background noise". tags also help there. Bluesky's Discover feed has an algorithm
@everton137 that said, I'm of course also very curious about the experiences of others, it'll be interesting to see what the results are.
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@everton137 that said, I'm of course also very curious about the experiences of others, it'll be interesting to see what the results are.
@anthropy @everton137 I just voted... my posts got ZERO traction on Bluesky and are widely shared here... don't know what to think but I follow a lot of feminist accounts on here (and my dormant bluesky account) and they have far more engagement on here, as far as i can tell...
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@anthropy @everton137 I just voted... my posts got ZERO traction on Bluesky and are widely shared here... don't know what to think but I follow a lot of feminist accounts on here (and my dormant bluesky account) and they have far more engagement on here, as far as i can tell...
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@anthropy @everton137 I just voted... my posts got ZERO traction on Bluesky and are widely shared here... don't know what to think but I follow a lot of feminist accounts on here (and my dormant bluesky account) and they have far more engagement on here, as far as i can tell...
@_elena @everton137 Yea! that's personally also been my experience honestly, even compared to twitter 4 years ago I get far more engagement here (got 2-3x the followers in 1/4th the timeline, too).
Although I do occasionally have a post being overlooked, but if I boost it once or twice after it usually suddenly does gain traction. There's no algorithm that does that for you, so I can imagine if someone doesn't boost through that initial calmth they might mistake it for a lack of interest maybe.
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In a recent comparison of engagement around a Leave.X campaign post,[1] someone pointed out that a female journalist who is active in the feminist movement and critical of Big Tech had a very different experience than others.
The Mastodon post was shared twice, while the Bluesky version was shared over 200 times and received significantly more interactions. This raises questions about tech-savvy spaces like Mastodon and how they reflect broader societal issues.
For women on Mastodon:
Do you feel that the patriarchal dynamics and male behavior in this space, which is still largely dominated by white men, make it harder for women to participate?
#Mastodon #Diversity #Fediversity #Fediverse #Feminism #BlueSky #Inclusion
@everton137 I don#t have much of a problem with the men on the platform. But I miss feminism. Feminist discussions are underrepresented.Some of the men are feminist, but that's not what I mean. i am wondering where all the feminists are. The women. But as I don't care for algorithms, I guess I'm gonna wait for them to arrive here. And talk to the few feminists I found here in the
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In a recent comparison of engagement around a Leave.X campaign post,[1] someone pointed out that a female journalist who is active in the feminist movement and critical of Big Tech had a very different experience than others.
The Mastodon post was shared twice, while the Bluesky version was shared over 200 times and received significantly more interactions. This raises questions about tech-savvy spaces like Mastodon and how they reflect broader societal issues.
For women on Mastodon:
Do you feel that the patriarchal dynamics and male behavior in this space, which is still largely dominated by white men, make it harder for women to participate?
#Mastodon #Diversity #Fediversity #Fediverse #Feminism #BlueSky #Inclusion
@everton137 I am lucky, in that I rarely get the kind of traction that leads to reply guys and obnoxious behavior (and I have no ambition to do so). But the dynamics here are like the dynamics elsewhere in the world - if you are known to be a woman, your viewpoint is more likely to be discounted by some percentage of your audience.
However, I suspect differences of the magnitude you describe are more a function of how they use Mastodon than of gender. I think people succeeding at "engagement" on one are likely to have interaction habits that are less effective on the other.
And the metrics are just different, like citation counts in different fields. Orders of magnitude less boosts on Mastodon can translate into a firehose of interesting conversations in the thread. A handful of likes doesn't mean your post hasn't been seen and appreciated.
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@everton137 I don#t have much of a problem with the men on the platform. But I miss feminism. Feminist discussions are underrepresented.Some of the men are feminist, but that's not what I mean. i am wondering where all the feminists are. The women. But as I don't care for algorithms, I guess I'm gonna wait for them to arrive here. And talk to the few feminists I found here in the
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@everton137 @_elena I think the reason may be that software engineering and tech in general is overrepresented, and that's a very male field
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In a recent comparison of engagement around a Leave.X campaign post,[1] someone pointed out that a female journalist who is active in the feminist movement and critical of Big Tech had a very different experience than others.
The Mastodon post was shared twice, while the Bluesky version was shared over 200 times and received significantly more interactions. This raises questions about tech-savvy spaces like Mastodon and how they reflect broader societal issues.
For women on Mastodon:
Do you feel that the patriarchal dynamics and male behavior in this space, which is still largely dominated by white men, make it harder for women to participate?
#Mastodon #Diversity #Fediversity #Fediverse #Feminism #BlueSky #Inclusion
@everton137 It's a fair bit complicated when the different communities on the fediverse are as stratified as they are. We've got an entire queer section of the network which has largely blocked off techbro nonsense, so outreach to there is limited depending on where you land (including dotsocial)
I guess it all comes back to the techbros in the end on that one
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@everton137 @_elena I think the reason may be that software engineering and tech in general is overrepresented, and that's a very male field
@Tamtam @_elena I agree. That's one of the reasons I would like to explore and discuss this topic. I think it's important for the Fediverse to be more diverse in order to succeed, and this space is far from diverse. Just consider the number of people from the global south, as another group largely misrepresented here.
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@anthropy @everton137 I just voted... my posts got ZERO traction on Bluesky and are widely shared here... don't know what to think but I follow a lot of feminist accounts on here (and my dormant bluesky account) and they have far more engagement on here, as far as i can tell...
@_elena @anthropy @everton137 can you recommend some feminists to follow?
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@everton137 It's a fair bit complicated when the different communities on the fediverse are as stratified as they are. We've got an entire queer section of the network which has largely blocked off techbro nonsense, so outreach to there is limited depending on where you land (including dotsocial)
I guess it all comes back to the techbros in the end on that one
@elfi I agree. Still, I think it can be valuable to discuss this topic and listen to the perspective of women and queer communities in this social space. A more qualified sociological research would be interesting.
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@Tamtam @_elena I agree. That's one of the reasons I would like to explore and discuss this topic. I think it's important for the Fediverse to be more diverse in order to succeed, and this space is far from diverse. Just consider the number of people from the global south, as another group largely misrepresented here.
@everton137 @_elena I totally agree with you. a lot is missing. But I don't tthink discussing it among ourselves is teh way forward. You may be aware of how the meta and co are pressing their apps into the markets in countries without western infrastructure. They have a monopoly there. And thy fulfill the wishes of authoritarian leaders. Open source depends on a democratic environment. If you have any suggestion I'm m all ears. I support the general efforts around DDay and such.
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In a recent comparison of engagement around a Leave.X campaign post,[1] someone pointed out that a female journalist who is active in the feminist movement and critical of Big Tech had a very different experience than others.
The Mastodon post was shared twice, while the Bluesky version was shared over 200 times and received significantly more interactions. This raises questions about tech-savvy spaces like Mastodon and how they reflect broader societal issues.
For women on Mastodon:
Do you feel that the patriarchal dynamics and male behavior in this space, which is still largely dominated by white men, make it harder for women to participate?
#Mastodon #Diversity #Fediversity #Fediverse #Feminism #BlueSky #Inclusion
@everton137 My experience here is different from other spaces, in that I run an instance, and work to build a community that is inclusive. I have agency here that I don't have anywhere else.
I hope that the community I strive to support feels that support. We are far from perfect. But we try. And I take my responsibilities here seriously.
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@everton137 @_elena I totally agree with you. a lot is missing. But I don't tthink discussing it among ourselves is teh way forward. You may be aware of how the meta and co are pressing their apps into the markets in countries without western infrastructure. They have a monopoly there. And thy fulfill the wishes of authoritarian leaders. Open source depends on a democratic environment. If you have any suggestion I'm m all ears. I support the general efforts around DDay and such.
@Tamtam @_elena Brazil had some leadership on open source matters several years ago. It faded away somehow.
I left the country ten years ago, but it would be interesting to understand why the Fediverse use is so weak.
Lots of people from my non profit bubble in Brazil preferred to migrate to BlueSky.
As an example, in my field, open government data, the Open Government Partnership started in Brazil.
Tagging, in case some Brazilian living there could have a more sound opinion: #Brazil #Fediverse #Mastodon #SoftwareLivre #Brasil
Ideas, @josemurilo ?
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@everton137 My experience here is different from other spaces, in that I run an instance, and work to build a community that is inclusive. I have agency here that I don't have anywhere else.
I hope that the community I strive to support feels that support. We are far from perfect. But we try. And I take my responsibilities here seriously.
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In a recent comparison of engagement around a Leave.X campaign post,[1] someone pointed out that a female journalist who is active in the feminist movement and critical of Big Tech had a very different experience than others.
The Mastodon post was shared twice, while the Bluesky version was shared over 200 times and received significantly more interactions. This raises questions about tech-savvy spaces like Mastodon and how they reflect broader societal issues.
For women on Mastodon:
Do you feel that the patriarchal dynamics and male behavior in this space, which is still largely dominated by white men, make it harder for women to participate?
#Mastodon #Diversity #Fediversity #Fediverse #Feminism #BlueSky #Inclusion
@everton137 my theory is that Mastodon/Fediverse rewards follower numbers way more than Bluesky. A Mastodon account with lots of followers like LeaveX gets its posts shared massively, while a Mastodon account with few followers gets its posts shared rarely at all. Bluesky is way more balanced in the middle for most accounts in my experience.
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In a recent comparison of engagement around a Leave.X campaign post,[1] someone pointed out that a female journalist who is active in the feminist movement and critical of Big Tech had a very different experience than others.
The Mastodon post was shared twice, while the Bluesky version was shared over 200 times and received significantly more interactions. This raises questions about tech-savvy spaces like Mastodon and how they reflect broader societal issues.
For women on Mastodon:
Do you feel that the patriarchal dynamics and male behavior in this space, which is still largely dominated by white men, make it harder for women to participate?
#Mastodon #Diversity #Fediversity #Fediverse #Feminism #BlueSky #Inclusion
Mastodon and Bluesky have totally different algorithms, any conclusions based on ONE post is utterly meaningless. Run an experiment with several accounts and several posts, then we talk
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In a recent comparison of engagement around a Leave.X campaign post,[1] someone pointed out that a female journalist who is active in the feminist movement and critical of Big Tech had a very different experience than others.
The Mastodon post was shared twice, while the Bluesky version was shared over 200 times and received significantly more interactions. This raises questions about tech-savvy spaces like Mastodon and how they reflect broader societal issues.
For women on Mastodon:
Do you feel that the patriarchal dynamics and male behavior in this space, which is still largely dominated by white men, make it harder for women to participate?
#Mastodon #Diversity #Fediversity #Fediverse #Feminism #BlueSky #Inclusion
@everton137 the humourless mansplaining on here is ridiculous. I don’t think it’s the misogyny of Twitter, but the cluelessness of the undersocialised. I know women on here who say they won’t post publicly because of those kind of replies. I can see why Bluesky is more appealing for many.
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