We’ve moved our internal communications from Discord to Zulip at Mastodon, and I think there are plans to do the same for our Patreon community.

[aplundell@timeloop.cafe]

@Gargron Edit: I didn't realize that Zulip is Open-Source. So, corporate, maybe, but not closed source.

Original Toot :

Isn't there a non-corporate solution?

There's more than a little unfortunate irony in the Mastodon team jumping ship from Discord to another corporate provider that just hasn't entered its enshitification phase yet.

[targrus@mast.targrus.org]

@Gargron .. I had not seen Zulip before. Thank you for putting it on my radar.

[noodlejetski@masto.ai]

@Gargron yeah, gonna be tricky to move those. especially with how convenient to use the voice channels are.

[gargron@mastodon.social]

@apLundell Zulip is open source though?

[susannelilith@rheinneckar.social]

@Gargron Wäre ich paranoid, würde ich sagen, da versucht jemand an Daten, Namen und Meinungen zu kommen.

[64bithero@mstdn.games]

@Gargron matrix has been a bit of a challenge with voice chat in the past. But for text chat is great. There is also Stoat Chat which does have wonderful group chat system
In place. Lastly if your a happy tinkerer than you an look into the many discord clone projects out there and build the instance locally from the many GitHub repos

[aplundell@timeloop.cafe]

@Gargron Oh, I guess it is. Then I retract my criticism. Sorry.

[linuxandyarn@hachyderm.io]

@Gargron I quit a writing group on Discord years ago when I noticed it was broadcasting every time I opened a game in steam, and wondered what other things it was spying on.

[pounce@nyan.network]

@Gargron don't forget us IRC folks have been working to reach feature parity with discord the whole time that people have been moving away from it

it's a pretty good alternative these days!

[mischa@social.oc.is]

@Gargron Zulip doesn’t have voice right? What are you using as an alternative for that?

[netraven@hear-me.social]

@Gargron Not a participant, but I hope discord dies just because of how many communities it has destroyed.

[waystation@sunny.garden]

@Gargron So, should we discontinue Patreon donations? And wait until you are set up in the new location?

[gargron@mastodon.social]

@waystation Why would you need to do that? You don’t have to use Discord even now, it is optional.

[dmian@mastodon.social]

@lefteristrip23 @Gargron I’m just guessing, but maybe because they’re a small team that needs a solution and not another service to manage and maintain? Sometimes you just want a no-friction service that won’t add extra load on your employees. But that’s me speculating. There could be a way different but completely justified reason. These are smart people, and I trust they know what they’re doing.

[waystation@sunny.garden]

@Gargron I don't use discord. I never even visit the Patreon. I just didn't know if Patreon is becoming an unsafe space.

[grishka@friends.grishka.me]

I don't understand why all centralized services suddenly insist on actually verifying their users' age for real. What was wrong with asking for a birth date or even just presenting a "yes I'm 18 or older" button? NSFW websites somehow still do just fine with that, but Discord, which is much less "risky" in comparison, somehow needs real verification?

Gosh I miss the old internet.

[gargron@mastodon.social]

@waystation We have a Discord for people who support us on Patreon. We’re planning to move from Discord to Zulip for that purpose instead.

[lefteristrip23@mastodon.social]

@dmian @Gargron to be fair, matrix isn't quite there yet, indeed

[waystation@sunny.garden]

@Gargron Ah, I misread. My apologies. I've been under the weather since last night.

[richrockster@mastodon.social]

@Gargron @waystation Rather stupidly, a lot of software support and wiki's are now contained only on Discord, which has been a stupid move to be clear. Even purely social communities for almost anything host on Discord now.

The internet is a lonelier place for all the social interactivity it has hoovered up.

Time will tell if Discord have pointed both barrels at their feet and pulled the trigger... But nobody seems happy with the decision.