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  • chrismayla6@zirk.usC chrismayla6@zirk.us

    We know the rise of the Greens & ReformUK Ltd has shifted voters away from supporting the Labour Party. The Economist used these results to match the age & work profile of workers to map this transition between 2021 & 2026.

    The diagram below offer a (further) stark demonstration of why the Labour Party is wrong-headed in their aping of ReformUK, not least because their support from such wider base is moving to the Green Party of England & Wales.

    #politics #Greens
    h/t Andy Cotgreave/LinkedIn

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    @ChrisMayLA6 This also provides some support for the view that many traditional Labour voters were socially and politically reactionary. This will have been the bloc that voted for Brexit, and abandoned Labour in 2019 because they felt Corbyn was imperiling the democratic outcome of the referendum.

    Those voters will have gone over to Reform, not the Greens.

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    • chrismayla6@zirk.usC chrismayla6@zirk.us

      We know the rise of the Greens & ReformUK Ltd has shifted voters away from supporting the Labour Party. The Economist used these results to match the age & work profile of workers to map this transition between 2021 & 2026.

      The diagram below offer a (further) stark demonstration of why the Labour Party is wrong-headed in their aping of ReformUK, not least because their support from such wider base is moving to the Green Party of England & Wales.

      #politics #Greens
      h/t Andy Cotgreave/LinkedIn

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      @ChrisMayLA6 that's a very cool way to visualize the data!

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      • chrismayla6@zirk.usC chrismayla6@zirk.us

        We know the rise of the Greens & ReformUK Ltd has shifted voters away from supporting the Labour Party. The Economist used these results to match the age & work profile of workers to map this transition between 2021 & 2026.

        The diagram below offer a (further) stark demonstration of why the Labour Party is wrong-headed in their aping of ReformUK, not least because their support from such wider base is moving to the Green Party of England & Wales.

        #politics #Greens
        h/t Andy Cotgreave/LinkedIn

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        @ChrisMayLA6

        Presumably that red island at the top of the 2026 image is Labour's centre-right faction?

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        • reggiehere@mastodon.socialR reggiehere@mastodon.social

          @ChrisMayLA6

          Presumably that red island at the top of the 2026 image is Labour's centre-right faction?

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          @ReggieHere

          It's younger-middle-aged managerial folks, if I can read these scales correctly.

          Both these axes are scaled in derivatives, so it's not very intuitive to me.

          But could be the aspiring Streetings of the party.

          @ChrisMayLA6

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          • chrismayla6@zirk.usC chrismayla6@zirk.us

            We know the rise of the Greens & ReformUK Ltd has shifted voters away from supporting the Labour Party. The Economist used these results to match the age & work profile of workers to map this transition between 2021 & 2026.

            The diagram below offer a (further) stark demonstration of why the Labour Party is wrong-headed in their aping of ReformUK, not least because their support from such wider base is moving to the Green Party of England & Wales.

            #politics #Greens
            h/t Andy Cotgreave/LinkedIn

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            @ChrisMayLA6 Someone posted an article a few days ago that featured the same graph. It also highlighted a massive flaw in the representation. What looks like losses from Labour to Reform is actually an artefact of the FPTP system, and it represents Reform's ability to mobilise people who wouldn't have voted otherwise. Labour's losses, allegedly, are mainly to the Greens. I can't find the article now, sorry.

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              @ReggieHere

              It's younger-middle-aged managerial folks, if I can read these scales correctly.

              Both these axes are scaled in derivatives, so it's not very intuitive to me.

              But could be the aspiring Streetings of the party.

              @ChrisMayLA6

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              @androcat

              Yes, that makes sense. An unfortnate gap between "briefcase" and "working" Labour.

              @ChrisMayLA6

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              • chrismayla6@zirk.usC chrismayla6@zirk.us

                We know the rise of the Greens & ReformUK Ltd has shifted voters away from supporting the Labour Party. The Economist used these results to match the age & work profile of workers to map this transition between 2021 & 2026.

                The diagram below offer a (further) stark demonstration of why the Labour Party is wrong-headed in their aping of ReformUK, not least because their support from such wider base is moving to the Green Party of England & Wales.

                #politics #Greens
                h/t Andy Cotgreave/LinkedIn

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                @ChrisMayLA6 link to Andy Cotgraves LinkedIn piece:

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                A great piece of data storytelling in The Economist this week? ✔️This one stopped me in the tracks - "what the heck am I looking at?" ❌But "what the heck am I looking at?" can also be… | Andy Cotgreave | 30 comments

                A great piece of data storytelling in The Economist this week? ✔️This one stopped me in the tracks - "what the heck am I looking at?" ❌But "what the heck am I looking at?" can also be negative It's showing results for the local elections in the UK last week. In a nutshell, it's a party-territory-map based on age and education in each ward. It definitely takes time to parse the chart. The primary thing to take away is that Labour's "big red territory" has been eaten away by the Greens and Reform. What do you think? Too complicated? Could it have been done differently? My conclusion: I'm always in favour of pushing the envelope. And there's no reason a chart needs to be understandable in seconds. So I give it a 👍👍 cc Alex Selby-Boothroyd | 30 comments on LinkedIn

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                • reggiehere@mastodon.socialR reggiehere@mastodon.social

                  @ChrisMayLA6

                  Presumably that red island at the top of the 2026 image is Labour's centre-right faction?

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                  @ReggieHere

                  Not so sure; I took that to be younger professionals who still hadn't been convinced by the Greens, yet grew up in a social environment were voting right was sees as terminally uncool?

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                  • rozeboosje@masto.aiR rozeboosje@masto.ai

                    @ChrisMayLA6 Someone posted an article a few days ago that featured the same graph. It also highlighted a massive flaw in the representation. What looks like losses from Labour to Reform is actually an artefact of the FPTP system, and it represents Reform's ability to mobilise people who wouldn't have voted otherwise. Labour's losses, allegedly, are mainly to the Greens. I can't find the article now, sorry.

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                    @rozeboosje

                    yes, that also makes sense

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                    • rozeboosje@masto.aiR rozeboosje@masto.ai

                      @ChrisMayLA6 Someone posted an article a few days ago that featured the same graph. It also highlighted a massive flaw in the representation. What looks like losses from Labour to Reform is actually an artefact of the FPTP system, and it represents Reform's ability to mobilise people who wouldn't have voted otherwise. Labour's losses, allegedly, are mainly to the Greens. I can't find the article now, sorry.

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                      @rozeboosje @ChrisMayLA6 yes, I recall that article too. Likewise no success in finding it again.

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                      • reggiehere@mastodon.socialR reggiehere@mastodon.social

                        @ChrisMayLA6

                        Presumably that red island at the top of the 2026 image is Labour's centre-right faction?

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                        @ReggieHere @ChrisMayLA6
                        @ApostateEnglishman

                        The line roughly down the middle of the 2026 diagram also makes the generational divide very clear - and remember this is also an educational divide. The Labour governments of the 60s and 70s introduced comprehensive education and massively expanded higher education - in 1960 less than 5% of kids went to university, in 2019 over 50% went.

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                        • reggiehere@mastodon.socialR reggiehere@mastodon.social

                          @androcat

                          Yes, that makes sense. An unfortnate gap between "briefcase" and "working" Labour.

                          @ChrisMayLA6

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                          @ReggieHere @ChrisMayLA6

                          I think I figured it out.
                          So the background colourings are a bit misleading. What is displayed is the wards (those granules in darker colour).
                          And the granules are tracked in two axes, by the population:
                          % managerial, and % aged 50.
                          So the wards haven't moved around a lot, because demographics haven't changed much.
                          Then the wards were colorized according to leading party, and given an imaginary "territory" to contextualize (the background colours). So you may well be right.

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                            @ReggieHere @ChrisMayLA6

                            I think I figured it out.
                            So the background colourings are a bit misleading. What is displayed is the wards (those granules in darker colour).
                            And the granules are tracked in two axes, by the population:
                            % managerial, and % aged 50.
                            So the wards haven't moved around a lot, because demographics haven't changed much.
                            Then the wards were colorized according to leading party, and given an imaginary "territory" to contextualize (the background colours). So you may well be right.

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                            @androcat @ReggieHere @ChrisMayLA6

                            Yes, I was just thinking it would be clearer if they coloured the dots and didn't have the coloured backgrounds.

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                            • chrismayla6@zirk.usC chrismayla6@zirk.us

                              We know the rise of the Greens & ReformUK Ltd has shifted voters away from supporting the Labour Party. The Economist used these results to match the age & work profile of workers to map this transition between 2021 & 2026.

                              The diagram below offer a (further) stark demonstration of why the Labour Party is wrong-headed in their aping of ReformUK, not least because their support from such wider base is moving to the Green Party of England & Wales.

                              #politics #Greens
                              h/t Andy Cotgreave/LinkedIn

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                              @ChrisMayLA6
                              How are these colorings done? There must be a lot of (over?)simplification going on here. No way the wards divide that nicely by just two variables. The middle should look a lot more mottled.

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                              • chrismayla6@zirk.usC chrismayla6@zirk.us

                                @ReggieHere

                                Not so sure; I took that to be younger professionals who still hadn't been convinced by the Greens, yet grew up in a social environment were voting right was sees as terminally uncool?

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                                @ChrisMayLA6

                                That would make sense. It's quite a confusing chart.

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                                • geofcox@climatejustice.socialG geofcox@climatejustice.social

                                  @ReggieHere @ChrisMayLA6
                                  @ApostateEnglishman

                                  The line roughly down the middle of the 2026 diagram also makes the generational divide very clear - and remember this is also an educational divide. The Labour governments of the 60s and 70s introduced comprehensive education and massively expanded higher education - in 1960 less than 5% of kids went to university, in 2019 over 50% went.

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                                  @GeofCox

                                  It is a pretty stark cut off. Makes a bit of a mockery of RefUK's claims to attracting younger voters.

                                  @ChrisMayLA6 @ApostateEnglishman

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                                  • unchartedworlds@scicomm.xyzU unchartedworlds@scicomm.xyz

                                    @androcat @ReggieHere @ChrisMayLA6

                                    Yes, I was just thinking it would be clearer if they coloured the dots and didn't have the coloured backgrounds.

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                                    @unchartedworlds @ReggieHere @ChrisMayLA6

                                    It's a striking outcome, though.

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                                    • chrismayla6@zirk.usC chrismayla6@zirk.us

                                      We know the rise of the Greens & ReformUK Ltd has shifted voters away from supporting the Labour Party. The Economist used these results to match the age & work profile of workers to map this transition between 2021 & 2026.

                                      The diagram below offer a (further) stark demonstration of why the Labour Party is wrong-headed in their aping of ReformUK, not least because their support from such wider base is moving to the Green Party of England & Wales.

                                      #politics #Greens
                                      h/t Andy Cotgreave/LinkedIn

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                                      @ChrisMayLA6 This diagram is misleading because it does not show the ages in proportion to their share of the population, or of their propensity to vote.

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                                      • rozeboosje@masto.aiR rozeboosje@masto.ai

                                        @ChrisMayLA6 Someone posted an article a few days ago that featured the same graph. It also highlighted a massive flaw in the representation. What looks like losses from Labour to Reform is actually an artefact of the FPTP system, and it represents Reform's ability to mobilise people who wouldn't have voted otherwise. Labour's losses, allegedly, are mainly to the Greens. I can't find the article now, sorry.

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                                        @rozeboosje @ChrisMayLA6 I think you might have read @Tupp_ed 's The Gist https://www.thegist.ie/the-gist-britain-the-ungoverned-country/ - it has exactly that explanation of why this chart is misleading, and other charts that show a clearer picture.

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                                        • bazzargh@hachyderm.ioB bazzargh@hachyderm.io

                                          @rozeboosje @ChrisMayLA6 I think you might have read @Tupp_ed 's The Gist https://www.thegist.ie/the-gist-britain-the-ungoverned-country/ - it has exactly that explanation of why this chart is misleading, and other charts that show a clearer picture.

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                                          @bazzargh @ChrisMayLA6 @Tupp_ed That's the one. Thanks for finding it!

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