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I want this but as a Linux distribution.

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  • mcc@mastodon.socialM mcc@mastodon.social

    @argv_minus_one @elfin I do not use keepassxc

    EDIT: checking google there *is* a "Keepass2Android", one assumes forked from the original keepass

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    @mcc @argv_minus_one @elfin I use https://www.keepassdx.com/ on android, and sync the file over with Syncthing.

    I don't THINK either of those projects use LLMs, but I haven't been machmir about poring over careful details when checking.

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    • greyduck@wellduck.meG greyduck@wellduck.me

      @mcc I admit I don't know the KeePass ecosystem terribly well, but does this go "up the chain" to regular KeePass 2.x or is it just XC?

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      @greyduck @mcc From all that I have seen regarding The Original KeePass (authored by Dominik Reichl in C# for .NET/Mono) has made no mention of AI pollution. How Mono are handling AI I haven't looked at, but for .NET: Microsoft is as they are.

      KeePassXC (maintained by the KeePassXC team in C++ using the QT toolkit) announced the use of AI and then clarified the scope later. KeePassXC is a separate project that uses the keepass vault format but it its own thing.

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      • mcc@mastodon.socialM mcc@mastodon.social

        My understanding is that Bitwarden and KeePassXC, the two open source password managers, are *both* using random code generators at this point, which is terrifying as those are the exact tools where a small error could have the largest negative impact, and also tools that once you've committed to using it you can't quickly back out if they enter a code quality decline

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        @mcc yikes

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          @chopsstephens @jcnotwit @mcc But there are forks of the pre-vibecoded XC now, no need to switch to a whole other program.

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          • mary@chaos.socialM mary@chaos.social

            @mcc I do think we (as a comunmity) should build a database of public repos that have any genAI related commits/config files, that would be a good start to flag thoses.

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            @mary @mcc There was an effort to do this called open-slopware, but the creator got harassed by LLM apologists into deleting it and leaving open-source. After that, people who had local forks put them up and began working on their own versions. I was dissatisfied with the layout of the previous version, so myself and a few other contributors to open-slopware created https://codeberg.org/ai-alternatives/llm-afflicted-software hoping to avoid the pitfalls of the previous repo. It's not perfect, but it is chugging along slowly.

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            • justsoup@mstdn.socialJ justsoup@mstdn.social

              @mary @mcc There was an effort to do this called open-slopware, but the creator got harassed by LLM apologists into deleting it and leaving open-source. After that, people who had local forks put them up and began working on their own versions. I was dissatisfied with the layout of the previous version, so myself and a few other contributors to open-slopware created https://codeberg.org/ai-alternatives/llm-afflicted-software hoping to avoid the pitfalls of the previous repo. It's not perfect, but it is chugging along slowly.

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              @mary @mcc The major changes made were:

              1. yaml instead of markdown so its machine-readable (I want to develop a tool chat checks your system for llm software).
              2. Requiring signoffs and signing of commits to limit troll submissions through annoyance (LLM apologists were brigading open-slopware with genAI MRs and one got in)
              3. More carefully vetting sources and reasons for submissions so only actually "bad" projects are added.

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              • mcc@mastodon.socialM mcc@mastodon.social

                @argv_minus_one @elfin I do not use keepassxc

                EDIT: checking google there *is* a "Keepass2Android", one assumes forked from the original keepass

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                @mcc@mastodon.social @argv_minus_one@mastodon.sdf.org @elfin@mstdn.social I've been using keepass2android for a long time, and have been quite happy with it. I haven't poked deeply at it to check for LLM use, but there's nothing obvious in the contributor's graph (a single unlinked copilot commit of 1+ 1-)

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                • jcnotwit@mastodon.socialJ jcnotwit@mastodon.social

                  @mcc Yeah, KeePassXC going this route really hurt. I'm probably going to migrate back to a text file encrypted with gnupg for basic password management, but I have no idea what I'm going to use for one-time passcodes.

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                  @jcnotwit for one-time passcodes you could use this standalone desktop application: https://apps.gnome.org/Authenticator/
                  @mcc

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                    @nina_kali_nina @lunarloony @luana @mcc time to get crackin' on your escape hatch for those not already using the keypass file format: https://gitlab.gnome.org/World/secrets/-/issues/509

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                    • mcc@mastodon.socialM mcc@mastodon.social

                      RE: https://mastodon.scot/@kim_harding/116108957641748718

                      I want this but as a Linux distribution. I don't think I'm asking for much here. I am just asking for the "open source community" to be to the left of Goldman Sachs

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                      @mcc not sure if anyone mentioned a passkey. For me it's good compromise security and convince wise. My yubikey works ok with laptop and phones too.

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                      • mcc@mastodon.socialM mcc@mastodon.social

                        RE: https://mastodon.scot/@kim_harding/116108957641748718

                        I want this but as a Linux distribution. I don't think I'm asking for much here. I am just asking for the "open source community" to be to the left of Goldman Sachs

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                        @mcc@mastodon.social
                        I think #debian has you covered.
                        Didn't encounter an AI there 🤖 🤖
                        Edit: ooh, you meant as tool to create the system, not as part of the system....
                        Never mind... 😄

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                        • mcc@mastodon.socialM mcc@mastodon.social

                          RE: https://mastodon.scot/@kim_harding/116108957641748718

                          I want this but as a Linux distribution. I don't think I'm asking for much here. I am just asking for the "open source community" to be to the left of Goldman Sachs

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                          @mcc Taking an undifferentiated position against genAI tech as whole is about the stupidest thing we - as “the left”™️ - could be doing. The same is true for software engineers btw. (1/3)

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                          • martin207@mastodon.socialM martin207@mastodon.social

                            I love object oriented C (no not C++) but it is not sustainable to use it for most tasks. I enjoy writing python code, but for simple CLI tools Claude is much faster at it than me and delivers high quality whe steered correctly. Do I have a local setup with devstral running on solar power already? No, but I certainly plan to have that in 1 year from now. (2/3)

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                            Of course there’s way too much bullshit software being created and using genAI to do that l while consuming vast amounts of resources is a problem, but that doesn’t mean Anti-AI is a valid position. (3/3)

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                            • martin207@mastodon.socialM martin207@mastodon.social

                              @mcc Taking an undifferentiated position against genAI tech as whole is about the stupidest thing we - as “the left”™️ - could be doing. The same is true for software engineers btw. (1/3)

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                              I love object oriented C (no not C++) but it is not sustainable to use it for most tasks. I enjoy writing python code, but for simple CLI tools Claude is much faster at it than me and delivers high quality whe steered correctly. Do I have a local setup with devstral running on solar power already? No, but I certainly plan to have that in 1 year from now. (2/3)

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                              • mcc@mastodon.socialM mcc@mastodon.social

                                My understanding is that Bitwarden and KeePassXC, the two open source password managers, are *both* using random code generators at this point, which is terrifying as those are the exact tools where a small error could have the largest negative impact, and also tools that once you've committed to using it you can't quickly back out if they enter a code quality decline

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                                @mcc KeepassXC as well? I have a hard time as it is to trust a password manager. It seems I have to write my own?

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                                • mcc@mastodon.socialM mcc@mastodon.social

                                  @mary yeah, but if a build and deploy means making and deploying an apk then there's some question why you're using react native at all.

                                  i think it ought to be possible to do all this by just forking expo/expoapp and removing the arbitrary dependency on the web service.

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                                  @mcc@mastodon.social @mary@chaos.social

                                  making and deploying an apk then there's some question why you're using react native at all.

                                  usually those frameworks are used for cross-platform development, so you would make both an ios and android app from the same codebase
                                  as far as i know from my vague understanding of the ecosystem, Expo is supposed to be more of a quick and dirty playground rather than something ready to ship

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                                  • lunarloony@dosgame.clubL lunarloony@dosgame.club

                                    @nina_kali_nina I was tempted to do Vaultwarden, but the Bitwarden clients are affected so I don't think that'd help much. Might be an okay stop-gap until I have the time to invest in it properly.

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                                    @lunarloony @nina_kali_nina what I'm using is old school, open source, self hosted and ai free: https://www.passwordstore.org/

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                                    • mcc@mastodon.socialM mcc@mastodon.social

                                      RE: https://mastodon.scot/@kim_harding/116108957641748718

                                      I want this but as a Linux distribution. I don't think I'm asking for much here. I am just asking for the "open source community" to be to the left of Goldman Sachs

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                                      @mcc

                                      A stritcly #AI free #Linux distribution would need to be an #AIfree #BSD or #Hurd distribution in the long run. AFAIK, the Linux #kernel itself might have some AI assisted code already. They have a strict disclosure policy, though:

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                                      • lhengstmengel@mastodon.nlL lhengstmengel@mastodon.nl

                                        @lunarloony @nina_kali_nina what I'm using is old school, open source, self hosted and ai free: https://www.passwordstore.org/

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                                        @lhengstmengel @lunarloony @nina_kali_nina ooh interesting, didn’t know about that, thanks

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                                        • menel@snikket.deM menel@snikket.de
                                          @mcc@mastodon.social
                                          I think #debian has you covered.
                                          Didn't encounter an AI there 🤖 🤖
                                          Edit: ooh, you meant as tool to create the system, not as part of the system....
                                          Never mind... 😄

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                                          @menel @mcc such as?

                                          Hint: to me, tools like digikam's face recognition system do not count as "AI".

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