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@flesh @mynameistillian you can hate Windows without hating people for having to use it. The former is anti-capitalist, the latter is anti- people who don't have the privilege of choosing their desktop environment (or have to choose based on factors like accessibility, and can't find a single Linux distro that's actually accessible to them). There's a world of difference there imo, as another Certified Windows Hater myself
@raphaelmorgan @flesh @mynameistillian microsoft is easily one of the most evil companies in world history and the hitler comparison is strange to hear from a professed anti-fascist. certainly the building of data centers on Black burial grounds tends to be less well-known but its centrality in the technical infrastructure of israeli genocide and conquest is thoroughly documented.
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@raphaelmorgan @flesh @mynameistillian microsoft is easily one of the most evil companies in world history and the hitler comparison is strange to hear from a professed anti-fascist. certainly the building of data centers on Black burial grounds tends to be less well-known but its centrality in the technical infrastructure of israeli genocide and conquest is thoroughly documented.
@raphaelmorgan @flesh @mynameistillian and @dwaynemonroe in particular has produced a youtube series with a materialist analysis of microsoft and windows in relation to the capitalist mode of societal organization which is much further off from this conception of "tech bro" than OP lets on https://youtube.com/watch?v=VABFg40a-pY
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@raphaelmorgan @flesh @mynameistillian and @dwaynemonroe in particular has produced a youtube series with a materialist analysis of microsoft and windows in relation to the capitalist mode of societal organization which is much further off from this conception of "tech bro" than OP lets on https://youtube.com/watch?v=VABFg40a-pY
@hipsterelectron @raphaelmorgan @flesh @dwaynemonroe i appreciate that you care. those are real things. the problem is however the software i need (and trained to use) for my college work and other stuff isn't yet available on linux platforms and attempts to run it have so far proven futile. i am not a fan of windows, but i can't ditch it right now as of yet. if it is of any consolation i don't pay for anything microsoft does, i pirated that stuff and torn away all telemetry.
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@hipsterelectron @raphaelmorgan @flesh @dwaynemonroe i appreciate that you care. those are real things. the problem is however the software i need (and trained to use) for my college work and other stuff isn't yet available on linux platforms and attempts to run it have so far proven futile. i am not a fan of windows, but i can't ditch it right now as of yet. if it is of any consolation i don't pay for anything microsoft does, i pirated that stuff and torn away all telemetry.
@hipsterelectron @raphaelmorgan @flesh @dwaynemonroe and the issue is the problem that linux techbros on here (note i say techbros specifically, not regular foss folk) act like the mere act of using linux or even linux distros they consider good makes them a better layer of society than others.
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@raphaelmorgan @flesh @mynameistillian and @dwaynemonroe in particular has produced a youtube series with a materialist analysis of microsoft and windows in relation to the capitalist mode of societal organization which is much further off from this conception of "tech bro" than OP lets on https://youtube.com/watch?v=VABFg40a-pY
@raphaelmorgan @flesh @mynameistillian to some extent it seems worth considering whether reclaiming the capacity for critical analysis of technology from the excessive toxicity of the tech bros OP correctly denigrates would be a better use of time than recounting the many well-known issues that lead many servers to protect their users by fediblocking. one reason to motivate this is that these tech bros who denigrate the political valence of software tend to retain immense power and control of software projects like the rust programming language, whose code of conduct limits queer expression and whose governance structure protects racists
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@hipsterelectron @raphaelmorgan @flesh @dwaynemonroe and the issue is the problem that linux techbros on here (note i say techbros specifically, not regular foss folk) act like the mere act of using linux or even linux distros they consider good makes them a better layer of society than others.
@hipsterelectron @raphaelmorgan @flesh @dwaynemonroe i eventually will transition to using linux or minimize my use of windows, but this process isn't always easy, as much as i wish it was. especially given i am not skilled when it comes to tech
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@raphaelmorgan @flesh @mynameistillian to some extent it seems worth considering whether reclaiming the capacity for critical analysis of technology from the excessive toxicity of the tech bros OP correctly denigrates would be a better use of time than recounting the many well-known issues that lead many servers to protect their users by fediblocking. one reason to motivate this is that these tech bros who denigrate the political valence of software tend to retain immense power and control of software projects like the rust programming language, whose code of conduct limits queer expression and whose governance structure protects racists
@raphaelmorgan @flesh @mynameistillian and @freya's post https://social.highenergymagic.net/@freya/116325731377916208 is absolutely why acceding that critical space to people who consider empathy a weakness is a recipe to enable further harm. instead of rejecting windows for being icky, we can make it better and empower people who are forced to use it to varying degrees and through various forms of anticompetitive behavior
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@hipsterelectron @raphaelmorgan @flesh @dwaynemonroe i eventually will transition to using linux or minimize my use of windows, but this process isn't always easy, as much as i wish it was. especially given i am not skilled when it comes to tech
@hipsterelectron @raphaelmorgan @flesh @dwaynemonroe FWIW i am aware of the issues you describe, i am not trying to attack the materialist criticism here but moreso the holier-than-thou toxicity prevalent
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@raphaelmorgan @flesh @mynameistillian and @freya's post https://social.highenergymagic.net/@freya/116325731377916208 is absolutely why acceding that critical space to people who consider empathy a weakness is a recipe to enable further harm. instead of rejecting windows for being icky, we can make it better and empower people who are forced to use it to varying degrees and through various forms of anticompetitive behavior
@raphaelmorgan @flesh @mynameistillian @freya many criticisms of windows apply to linux too. i really don't fuck with juxtapositions of adolf hitler with criticism of windows or (as morgan describes) generally conflating criticism of windows with windows users. the conflation of windows with its users is worth writing an entire book about
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@raphaelmorgan @flesh @mynameistillian @freya many criticisms of windows apply to linux too. i really don't fuck with juxtapositions of adolf hitler with criticism of windows or (as morgan describes) generally conflating criticism of windows with windows users. the conflation of windows with its users is worth writing an entire book about
@hipsterelectron @raphaelmorgan @flesh @mynameistillian ngl, hot take but I actually *like* windows. I'm running Enterprise IoT LTSC debloated, and it's actually pretty nice. I( have never seen an ad, or a weird AI thing, or anything
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@hipsterelectron @raphaelmorgan @flesh @mynameistillian ngl, hot take but I actually *like* windows. I'm running Enterprise IoT LTSC debloated, and it's actually pretty nice. I( have never seen an ad, or a weird AI thing, or anything
@freya @hipsterelectron @raphaelmorgan @flesh @mynameistillian mhm, this one is using IoT enterp-.LTSC as well, albeit for GPU Passthrough VM, and that is.. usable :3 -
@freya @hipsterelectron @raphaelmorgan @flesh @mynameistillian mhm, this one is using IoT enterp-.LTSC as well, albeit for GPU Passthrough VM, and that is.. usable :3
@0x0cb9d119 @hipsterelectron @raphaelmorgan @mynameistillian @flesh I think a *lot* of the windows issues only exist if you're sighted
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@raphaelmorgan @flesh @mynameistillian @freya many criticisms of windows apply to linux too. i really don't fuck with juxtapositions of adolf hitler with criticism of windows or (as morgan describes) generally conflating criticism of windows with windows users. the conflation of windows with its users is worth writing an entire book about
@hipsterelectron @raphaelmorgan @flesh @freya i literally got called a nazi because i didn't like vivaldi's instance, so i don't think this comparison is off the charts that much. but i also wasn't aiming my sights against valid criticism of windows. i was aiming at attitudes
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@raphaelmorgan @flesh @mynameistillian @freya many criticisms of windows apply to linux too. i really don't fuck with juxtapositions of adolf hitler with criticism of windows or (as morgan describes) generally conflating criticism of windows with windows users. the conflation of windows with its users is worth writing an entire book about
@hipsterelectron@circumstances.run @mynameistillian@plush.city @raphaelmorgan@disabled.social @freya@social.highenergymagic.net Most issues with Windows itself (opposed to issues with Microsoft in general) are just how bad it is to its users.
I don't exactly like Windows users, but Windows is the perpetrator, while the users are contributing to the problems, but are also being themselves abused and manipulated.
Also, ya know, making it a Windows users vs Linux users thing is a very, like, liberal way to frame things. -
@hipsterelectron@circumstances.run @mynameistillian@plush.city @raphaelmorgan@disabled.social @freya@social.highenergymagic.net Most issues with Windows itself (opposed to issues with Microsoft in general) are just how bad it is to its users.
I don't exactly like Windows users, but Windows is the perpetrator, while the users are contributing to the problems, but are also being themselves abused and manipulated.
Also, ya know, making it a Windows users vs Linux users thing is a very, like, liberal way to frame things.@flesh @mynameistillian @hipsterelectron @freya in my view, using Windows is kind of like getting a job. Sure, you could argue it contributes to the problem in some way, but blaming people for doing it seems absolutely pointless to me when so many of them don't really have better options
or by eg going to the grocery store, it's likely that my EBT is going into some horrible system or another, but what else am I supposed to do if I'm not able bodied enough to grow all of my own food? -
@raphaelmorgan @flesh @mynameistillian and @dwaynemonroe in particular has produced a youtube series with a materialist analysis of microsoft and windows in relation to the capitalist mode of societal organization which is much further off from this conception of "tech bro" than OP lets on https://youtube.com/watch?v=VABFg40a-pY
@hipsterelectron@circumstances.run @mynameistillian@plush.city @raphaelmorgan@disabled.social
I am not unbiased. I do not know you. I've interacted with you twice in recent memory, and both have been unpleasant.
You seem to have overall good principles. I may disagree with you on some things, but I understand we're generally on the same side in the grander scheme.
From my limited knowledge, you seem to be to some degree prone to reading statements rather uncharitably and argue back strongly. I'm not claiming you're actively lying, but it seems like you can take a rather negative impression of what someone said and try to retort it without much consideration for other interpretations. It may well be my biased impression, but your tone comes on strong, which makes you seem rather confrontational.
I don't know you. I don't know your motivations, but please try to be more considerate and tactful towards people who aren't your enemies. Don't get me wrong, I know there are plenty of bad faith actors and shitheads. I do not expect you to be all nice to them.
Also, I don't know if it's because of a character limit or just how you write, but replying to someone with a chain of posts back-to-back adds to this sort of harsh and erratic impression more than a well though-out statement would. It makes it look like you're ranting or drowning someone in walls of text, even if that is not the intent. -
@flesh @mynameistillian @hipsterelectron @freya in my view, using Windows is kind of like getting a job. Sure, you could argue it contributes to the problem in some way, but blaming people for doing it seems absolutely pointless to me when so many of them don't really have better options
or by eg going to the grocery store, it's likely that my EBT is going into some horrible system or another, but what else am I supposed to do if I'm not able bodied enough to grow all of my own food?@raphaelmorgan@disabled.social @mynameistillian@plush.city @hipsterelectron@circumstances.run @freya@social.highenergymagic.net I understand the general idea, but I don't think the comparison really works.
Generally, a job is gonna be forced on you to survive.
Using Windows can be forced by a job (or similar), but it's generally easier to "just" switch to a Linux distro than it is to "just" get a job that's not evil.
They are similar in kind, in that they're both situations kinda forced on you, but they're not really analogous. -
@raphaelmorgan @flesh @mynameistillian @freya many criticisms of windows apply to linux too. i really don't fuck with juxtapositions of adolf hitler with criticism of windows or (as morgan describes) generally conflating criticism of windows with windows users. the conflation of windows with its users is worth writing an entire book about
@hipsterelectron @raphaelmorgan @flesh @mynameistillian @freya
As much as I love XFCE and KDE Plasma: the time is long overdue for a version of the Windows operating system (or at least the userspace) that isn't completely tied to Microsoft's whims.
Wine has tragically been relegated to a fiddly compatibility crutch: something that @hikari 's Loss32.org project aims to resolve by deploying it as a primary operating environment.
not a perfect solution, but at least it doesn't expect people to abandon 30 years of (more-or-less) benign applications overnight. -
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