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  • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

    If your lawyer was using "AI", would you want to be told explicitly?

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    @neil I expect anyone I interact with in a professional capacity to tell me up front what data they collect and how it's processed, including all AI use. I expect them to tell me if their notes on our meeting will be stored in the cloud, will be uploaded to another jurisdiction, will be processed by a third party... My expectations are unlikely to be met but in my opinion they ought to be normal.

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    • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

      @troed Interesting - thank you!

      (FWIW, I would absolutely want to know if a doctor was using AI, or even automatic transcription, as part of treating/assessing me!)

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      @neil Sorry for the Swedish but here's a clickable map detailing all the different things in healthcare where AI is used at the moment. I think some of the medical terms might be readily understood in English as well due to latin roots 🙂

      (And yes, there is pushback since the transcription has been dangerously wrong at times)

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      • d_rift@beige.partyD d_rift@beige.party

        @neil I expect anyone I interact with in a professional capacity to tell me up front what data they collect and how it's processed, including all AI use. I expect them to tell me if their notes on our meeting will be stored in the cloud, will be uploaded to another jurisdiction, will be processed by a third party... My expectations are unlikely to be met but in my opinion they ought to be normal.

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        @neil To me this is a modernization of nothing more or less than being able to see who is in the room.

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        • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

          "Nearly nine out of 10 legal professionals say they use AI in some capacity ..."

          Eh?

          "... according to a survey for a legal tech company"

          Oh. Right.

          If it is important that your lawyer uses "AI", I'm afraid that I am not the lawyer for you.

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          AI is mainstream in law - but clients are not told

          Despite the pace of adoption, only 27% of firms have fully embedded the technology, survey shows.

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          @neil id want to know exactly what they use, like someone’s DPA policy

          I think there’s valid use of ML which works but anything generative is a hard no, and wouldn’t be something I’d like a lawyer to use and would be cause to look for alternative council

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          • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

            "Nearly nine out of 10 legal professionals say they use AI in some capacity ..."

            Eh?

            "... according to a survey for a legal tech company"

            Oh. Right.

            If it is important that your lawyer uses "AI", I'm afraid that I am not the lawyer for you.

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            AI is mainstream in law - but clients are not told

            Despite the pace of adoption, only 27% of firms have fully embedded the technology, survey shows.

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            Law Gazette (www.lawgazette.co.uk)

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            @neil
            Are they trying to get enough uptake rapidly enough that by the time a professional negligence case gets to court they'll have outrun the Hunter v Hanley (Sc) / Bolam (Eng) test?

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            • troed@swecyb.comT troed@swecyb.com

              @neil Sorry for the Swedish but here's a clickable map detailing all the different things in healthcare where AI is used at the moment. I think some of the medical terms might be readily understood in English as well due to latin roots 🙂

              (And yes, there is pushback since the transcription has been dangerously wrong at times)

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              Vårdkartan - Utforska AI-initiativ inom vårdsektorn

              Vårdkartan visar AI-initiativ i svensk hälso- och sjukvård. Utforska hur regionerna utvecklar framtidens vård med AI. Skapat av Datastory och AI Sweden.

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              @troed Fascinating - thank you!

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              • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

                If your lawyer was using "AI", would you want to be told explicitly?

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                @neil I think that is quite a complicated question and depends how you define AI - using an LLM to write a contract? I'd want to know (and avoid).
                Using a Co-pilot suggested reply email of "sure, that time works for me" or using a spell check that was using an LLM (I think Grammarly's spell check is AI now) ? Not so much. I wouldn't necessarily expect a lawyer who specialised in conveyancing to know all the situations where they might be using AI.

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                • williamleech@mastodon.worldW williamleech@mastodon.world

                  @neil I think that is quite a complicated question and depends how you define AI - using an LLM to write a contract? I'd want to know (and avoid).
                  Using a Co-pilot suggested reply email of "sure, that time works for me" or using a spell check that was using an LLM (I think Grammarly's spell check is AI now) ? Not so much. I wouldn't necessarily expect a lawyer who specialised in conveyancing to know all the situations where they might be using AI.

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                  @WilliamLeech Nuanced responses are welcome!

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                  • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

                    @WilliamLeech Nuanced responses are welcome!

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                    @neil I'm afraid that's as nuanced as I get here!

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                    • dajb@social.coopD dajb@social.coop

                      @neil Well, indeed. Have a look at what @epilepticrabbit and I did with this (see Appendix 2) https://policy.friendsoftheearth.uk/reports/harnessing-ai-environmental-justice

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                      @dajb @neil I'm still proud of that piece of work and use the principles if I use AI, which I do, sometimes but not all the time because believe it or not my brain is still wicked functional 🙂

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                      • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

                        If your lawyer was using "AI", would you want to be told explicitly?

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                        @neil I'd ask whether they used AI, and if yes, I'd ask what they used, what they used it for, and how. The answer to that would determine whether I find a different lawyer.

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