I don’t fucking care about leftist infighting, really
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I MEANT EXCLUDES
But I mean if you read Marx and think there’s valuable stuff in there then I have no problem, the problems start if you defend blatantly indefensible actions because their flag is red
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I don’t fucking care about leftist infighting, really
I’m willing to work with anyone who wants the same things I want, regardless of what label they use for their ideology or what books they read
Now, if that excludes most Marxists, then I fail to see why that’s my problem
@TransTina i have grown to inherently distrust people who have a label for their ideology because of this, i used to think i could trust people who told me they believe in the same thing i do, and then it always bit me in the ass. i wanna see the conviction at the depth of their souls not their group badges or mandatory reading lists -
But I mean if you read Marx and think there’s valuable stuff in there then I have no problem, the problems start if you defend blatantly indefensible actions because their flag is red
@TransTina i hate marx as a person and as a political theorist but that does not stop me from doing a communism(haha) and taking his ideas i like and making them my own - i am playing 13th dimensional leftist infighting -
@TransTina i hate marx as a person and as a political theorist but that does not stop me from doing a communism(haha) and taking his ideas i like and making them my own - i am playing 13th dimensional leftist infighting
@mira@kumis.industries honestly same! There's good philosophy in there but it isn't a complete view of the world and anyone who thinks it is is missing a lot
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@mira@kumis.industries honestly same! There's good philosophy in there but it isn't a complete view of the world and anyone who thinks it is is missing a lot
@TransTina anyone who thinks that any single person can be the source of their entire view of the world isn't doing politics, they are in a cult
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@TransTina i have grown to inherently distrust people who have a label for their ideology because of this, i used to think i could trust people who told me they believe in the same thing i do, and then it always bit me in the ass. i wanna see the conviction at the depth of their souls not their group badges or mandatory reading lists
leftist: "so what sort of leftist are you?"
me: "anarchist"
leftist: "oh, so what type of anarchist are you?"
me: "an anarchist"
leftist: "well, there's anarcho-communism, mutualism, syndicalism..."
me: "I'm an anarchist. I believe in abolishing hierarchies and oppressive, authoritarian systems. I don't need a more granular label."
usually the conversation ends here with the other party coming away with the idea that I should read more theory
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@TransTina anyone who thinks that any single person can be the source of their entire view of the world isn't doing politics, they are in a cult
@mira@kumis.industries @TransTina@translunar.academy One of the problems is that Marxist see the philosophy as "hard science" when it's completely unproducible - and Marx himself completely failed to see the rise of Fascism or the kind of late-capitalist world we're foundering in today.
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leftist: "so what sort of leftist are you?"
me: "anarchist"
leftist: "oh, so what type of anarchist are you?"
me: "an anarchist"
leftist: "well, there's anarcho-communism, mutualism, syndicalism..."
me: "I'm an anarchist. I believe in abolishing hierarchies and oppressive, authoritarian systems. I don't need a more granular label."
usually the conversation ends here with the other party coming away with the idea that I should read more theory
@YKantRachelRead@social.treehouse.systems @mira@kumis.industries @TransTina@translunar.academy For a lot of leftist the answer to every problem is 'more theory'. As someone who, literally, has a degree in political theory, I can say that's bullshit. Yet, the 'theory people' seem to overwhelm a lot of leftist spaces and discourse, because solidarity and action are hard and require empathy and cooperation.
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@YKantRachelRead@social.treehouse.systems @mira@kumis.industries @TransTina@translunar.academy For a lot of leftist the answer to every problem is 'more theory'. As someone who, literally, has a degree in political theory, I can say that's bullshit. Yet, the 'theory people' seem to overwhelm a lot of leftist spaces and discourse, because solidarity and action are hard and require empathy and cooperation.
@steff@soc.femme.cat @mira@kumis.industries @YKantRachelRead@social.treehouse.systems theory is easy, praxis is hard
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@steff@soc.femme.cat @mira@kumis.industries @YKantRachelRead@social.treehouse.systems theory is easy, praxis is hard
@TransTina@translunar.academy @mira@kumis.industries @YKantRachelRead@social.treehouse.systems one is about ego, the other is about community.
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@YKantRachelRead@social.treehouse.systems @mira@kumis.industries @TransTina@translunar.academy For a lot of leftist the answer to every problem is 'more theory'. As someone who, literally, has a degree in political theory, I can say that's bullshit. Yet, the 'theory people' seem to overwhelm a lot of leftist spaces and discourse, because solidarity and action are hard and require empathy and cooperation.
@steff @TransTina @YKantRachelRead none of the people who told me to read theory have read even half of what i did for any of my political theory classes and then we are not even counting the stuff i read in my free time, and i have friends who read maybe like 3 short things and have practically the same ideas i do, so it probably doesn't actually matter other than me being interested in this more and thus enjoying it...
the problem is a lot of people still completely believe in the modernist ideal of objective truth and think that the only reason people don't agree with them is they are stupid (or "uneducated" to be pc), so if only they read more they would also arrive at the only logical conclusion.
and of course raising the epistemological barrier of entry helps keep the privileges of the dominant group, so yeah.... -
@TransTina@translunar.academy @mira@kumis.industries @YKantRachelRead@social.treehouse.systems one is about ego, the other is about community.
@steff @TransTina @YKantRachelRead i do think theory is an integral part of praxis (and vice versa) but good theory comes from talking to people in your community and not from stuff written by dead people (or in some rare cases alive people) -
@steff @TransTina @YKantRachelRead none of the people who told me to read theory have read even half of what i did for any of my political theory classes and then we are not even counting the stuff i read in my free time, and i have friends who read maybe like 3 short things and have practically the same ideas i do, so it probably doesn't actually matter other than me being interested in this more and thus enjoying it...
the problem is a lot of people still completely believe in the modernist ideal of objective truth and think that the only reason people don't agree with them is they are stupid (or "uneducated" to be pc), so if only they read more they would also arrive at the only logical conclusion.
and of course raising the epistemological barrier of entry helps keep the privileges of the dominant group, so yeah....@mira@kumis.industries @TransTina@translunar.academy @YKantRachelRead@social.treehouse.systems
a lot of people still completely believe in the modernist ideal of objective truth
Girl, don't get me started on my postmodernist rant about truth and narratives! I've not had a cocktail yet..
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@mira@kumis.industries @TransTina@translunar.academy @YKantRachelRead@social.treehouse.systems
a lot of people still completely believe in the modernist ideal of objective truth
Girl, don't get me started on my postmodernist rant about truth and narratives! I've not had a cocktail yet..
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@steff @TransTina @YKantRachelRead i do think theory is an integral part of praxis (and vice versa) but good theory comes from talking to people in your community and not from stuff written by dead people (or in some rare cases alive people)
@mira@kumis.industries @TransTina@translunar.academy @YKantRachelRead@social.treehouse.systems Theory can be a good starting point to organize a view and different theories give us different viewpoints into history or the world. However, no singular theory can accurately reduce the complexity of human experience or motivations into an simple, elegant, distilled form. People are messy and unruly, horrid, and amazing.
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@mira@kumis.industries @TransTina@translunar.academy @YKantRachelRead@social.treehouse.systems Sadly, I'm still working in the background <img class="not-responsive emoji" src="https://soc.femme.cat/emoji/blobcats/BlobCat_Sad.png" title=":blobcatsad:" />
