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  3. Something white folks like me from "middle class" backgrounds really need to fucking deal with is that privilege isn't just the advantages that put us a little ahead or give us a little more comfort or space or whatever.

Something white folks like me from "middle class" backgrounds really need to fucking deal with is that privilege isn't just the advantages that put us a little ahead or give us a little more comfort or space or whatever.

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    Something white folks like me from "middle class" backgrounds really need to fucking deal with is that privilege isn't just the advantages that put us a little ahead or give us a little more comfort or space or whatever.

    Privilege is also having the real ugliness of the "American way of life" hidden from us.

    There is no justice here. Our prisons are full of the suffering underclasses that are impoverished, criminalized, & enslaved. Unhoused people are treated like vermin to exterminate.

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    • artemis@dice.campA artemis@dice.camp

      Something white folks like me from "middle class" backgrounds really need to fucking deal with is that privilege isn't just the advantages that put us a little ahead or give us a little more comfort or space or whatever.

      Privilege is also having the real ugliness of the "American way of life" hidden from us.

      There is no justice here. Our prisons are full of the suffering underclasses that are impoverished, criminalized, & enslaved. Unhoused people are treated like vermin to exterminate.

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      Financially, my family was at the bottom of the white "middle class", barely able to uphold the image.

      There were times my parents barely managed to afford food for all of us. We went through some tough times.

      You know what my middle-class ass did not have to deal with, despite that? Being dehumanized as a target for state violence. We weren't always considered the "right" kind of people, but we were firmly in the group: "people the police still speak to with a small amount of 'respect'".

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      • artemis@dice.campA artemis@dice.camp

        Financially, my family was at the bottom of the white "middle class", barely able to uphold the image.

        There were times my parents barely managed to afford food for all of us. We went through some tough times.

        You know what my middle-class ass did not have to deal with, despite that? Being dehumanized as a target for state violence. We weren't always considered the "right" kind of people, but we were firmly in the group: "people the police still speak to with a small amount of 'respect'".

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        That's the kind of fucking privilege that keeps you docile & asleep.

        It's a fucking police state out there already, motherfuckers. They were just hoping you wouldn't notice.

        No matter how class conscious we might try to be, how forward-thinking, how interested in eliminating poverty, those of us starting from this point of privilege rarely fucking think about what the real fucking danger of poverty is: becoming an underclass with no way to appeal or escape your unjust treatment.

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        • artemis@dice.campA artemis@dice.camp

          Financially, my family was at the bottom of the white "middle class", barely able to uphold the image.

          There were times my parents barely managed to afford food for all of us. We went through some tough times.

          You know what my middle-class ass did not have to deal with, despite that? Being dehumanized as a target for state violence. We weren't always considered the "right" kind of people, but we were firmly in the group: "people the police still speak to with a small amount of 'respect'".

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          @artemis My family was doing well until 2008.

          The "Great Recession" and then the foreclosure crisis killed a ton of small businesses, and while my dad's roofing business still operated, that loss of spending power meant about half as many jobs a year.

          And he was already 60 at that point, with no safety net here in the US. 50 years of paying taxes and he ended up with almost nothing to show for it. (Luckily they paid off their house.)

          Hence why I'm not patriotic.

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          • artemis@dice.campA artemis@dice.camp

            Something white folks like me from "middle class" backgrounds really need to fucking deal with is that privilege isn't just the advantages that put us a little ahead or give us a little more comfort or space or whatever.

            Privilege is also having the real ugliness of the "American way of life" hidden from us.

            There is no justice here. Our prisons are full of the suffering underclasses that are impoverished, criminalized, & enslaved. Unhoused people are treated like vermin to exterminate.

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            @artemis being white has kept me out of falling into any place lower than middle or upper sections of lower class, because we got a house for rent from the government in a way we have personally seen doesn't happen like it even legally should with first nations people in the province

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            • artemis@dice.campA artemis@dice.camp

              That's the kind of fucking privilege that keeps you docile & asleep.

              It's a fucking police state out there already, motherfuckers. They were just hoping you wouldn't notice.

              No matter how class conscious we might try to be, how forward-thinking, how interested in eliminating poverty, those of us starting from this point of privilege rarely fucking think about what the real fucking danger of poverty is: becoming an underclass with no way to appeal or escape your unjust treatment.

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              Every time I start to write like this, I start to worry about somehow "overstating" things or being "alarmist", but fuck no.

              I have never been as clear or unequivocal about this as I should be, because the fictionalized "America" in my head still sometimes overwrites the actual United States I see with my eyes, hear reports & witness accounts from, & can look at the data about.

              Some voice in my head still tells me it's hyperbolic to speak this way, but that's because I'm fucking propagandized.

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              • artemis@dice.campA artemis@dice.camp

                Every time I start to write like this, I start to worry about somehow "overstating" things or being "alarmist", but fuck no.

                I have never been as clear or unequivocal about this as I should be, because the fictionalized "America" in my head still sometimes overwrites the actual United States I see with my eyes, hear reports & witness accounts from, & can look at the data about.

                Some voice in my head still tells me it's hyperbolic to speak this way, but that's because I'm fucking propagandized.

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                A lot of us middle class folks first wake up to the idea that we are being exploited, & if we are empathetic & have some self-awareness, we will get from there to understanding that some people are *more exploited* than we are & we know that we should care about this.

                So because we are empathetic & aware, we start demanding things that ought to help all of us, & especially lift up those most struggling.

                It's a good start.

                It's not a sufficient understanding of the true circumstances however.

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                • artemis@dice.campA artemis@dice.camp

                  A lot of us middle class folks first wake up to the idea that we are being exploited, & if we are empathetic & have some self-awareness, we will get from there to understanding that some people are *more exploited* than we are & we know that we should care about this.

                  So because we are empathetic & aware, we start demanding things that ought to help all of us, & especially lift up those most struggling.

                  It's a good start.

                  It's not a sufficient understanding of the true circumstances however.

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                  Poverty isn't just "can't pay the bills."

                  Poverty is also "can do nothing about harassment by cops or the legal system."

                  Poverty is "everything you could do to help yourself or your community breaks some laws or regulations or is functionally impossible."

                  Poverty is "the State has extreme power over you, because you can't survive without the tiny pittance that is your disability check."

                  Poverty is "your kids have no future because the State keeps your schools bankrupt."

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                  • artemis@dice.campA artemis@dice.camp

                    Poverty isn't just "can't pay the bills."

                    Poverty is also "can do nothing about harassment by cops or the legal system."

                    Poverty is "everything you could do to help yourself or your community breaks some laws or regulations or is functionally impossible."

                    Poverty is "the State has extreme power over you, because you can't survive without the tiny pittance that is your disability check."

                    Poverty is "your kids have no future because the State keeps your schools bankrupt."

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                    The reason we can't legislate ourselves out of this nightmare is that our laws exist to *create* this nightmare.

                    At some point I think we have to admit that what the system *does* is what it is intended to do.

                    Our "legal" system makes the poor—especially the racialized poor—slaves & prisoners. People often wait months, even years, in jail before they ever face trial, losing everything & being cut off from friends & family despite being convicted of no crime.

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                    • artemis@dice.campA artemis@dice.camp

                      The reason we can't legislate ourselves out of this nightmare is that our laws exist to *create* this nightmare.

                      At some point I think we have to admit that what the system *does* is what it is intended to do.

                      Our "legal" system makes the poor—especially the racialized poor—slaves & prisoners. People often wait months, even years, in jail before they ever face trial, losing everything & being cut off from friends & family despite being convicted of no crime.

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                      @artemis@dice.camp there's a very old systems analyst adage the state: "If you want to understand the function of any system simply examine its output." People love to talk about process and intent without ever examining the result.

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                      • artemis@dice.campA artemis@dice.camp

                        Poverty isn't just "can't pay the bills."

                        Poverty is also "can do nothing about harassment by cops or the legal system."

                        Poverty is "everything you could do to help yourself or your community breaks some laws or regulations or is functionally impossible."

                        Poverty is "the State has extreme power over you, because you can't survive without the tiny pittance that is your disability check."

                        Poverty is "your kids have no future because the State keeps your schools bankrupt."

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                        @artemis
                        Staying in the US is Stockholm Syndrome, but so bad, that it deserves its own name. America Syndrome? Washington Syndrome?

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                        • artemis@dice.campA artemis@dice.camp

                          At what point is the injustice too much to bear?

                          "The Ones Who Walk Away from Omelas?" Oh if only a single tortured child were enough for us to reject this defunct capitalist nightmare "utopia"!

                          How many children have to be torn from their parents because of petty crimes, unpaid fines, or simply FALSE ACCUSATIONS before it really disrupts our peace of mind?

                          How many years of human misery behind bars in torturous conditions are too many?

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                          How many indigenous communities torn apart, harassed, abused, starved, & stolen from?

                          How many Black men (& Black folks of all genders & children) shot by cops?

                          How much is too much? What does it take to count as an oppressive police state? How many lives?

                          Does it matter the color of their skin or the background of their families? Does it matter how educated they are? Does it matter whether or not they are houseless?

                          No justice. No peace.

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                            The reason we can't legislate ourselves out of this nightmare is that our laws exist to *create* this nightmare.

                            At some point I think we have to admit that what the system *does* is what it is intended to do.

                            Our "legal" system makes the poor—especially the racialized poor—slaves & prisoners. People often wait months, even years, in jail before they ever face trial, losing everything & being cut off from friends & family despite being convicted of no crime.

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                            At what point is the injustice too much to bear?

                            "The Ones Who Walk Away from Omelas?" Oh if only a single tortured child were enough for us to reject this defunct capitalist nightmare "utopia"!

                            How many children have to be torn from their parents because of petty crimes, unpaid fines, or simply FALSE ACCUSATIONS before it really disrupts our peace of mind?

                            How many years of human misery behind bars in torturous conditions are too many?

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                              How many indigenous communities torn apart, harassed, abused, starved, & stolen from?

                              How many Black men (& Black folks of all genders & children) shot by cops?

                              How much is too much? What does it take to count as an oppressive police state? How many lives?

                              Does it matter the color of their skin or the background of their families? Does it matter how educated they are? Does it matter whether or not they are houseless?

                              No justice. No peace.

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                              Show me how someone talks about unhoused people, & I'll tell you whether they actually care about liberation or not.

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                              • artemis@dice.campA artemis@dice.camp

                                Show me how someone talks about unhoused people, & I'll tell you whether they actually care about liberation or not.

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                                Maybe the biggest fucking privilege of all in this fucking country is the fucking privilege of never seeing your parents jailed because they are too poor to do anything about it.

                                It's never being selected as a target of police harassment.

                                It's living your fucking days in any way that could make you see the cops as anything other than violent oppressors who fucking stomp you & all your friends & loved ones under their feet.

                                That is fucking privilege.

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                                • artemis@dice.campA artemis@dice.camp

                                  Maybe the biggest fucking privilege of all in this fucking country is the fucking privilege of never seeing your parents jailed because they are too poor to do anything about it.

                                  It's never being selected as a target of police harassment.

                                  It's living your fucking days in any way that could make you see the cops as anything other than violent oppressors who fucking stomp you & all your friends & loved ones under their feet.

                                  That is fucking privilege.

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                                  My biggest fucking privilege is that I get to live my life in a way where—if I chose—I could spend most of my time pretending I am free.

                                  I'm not. You're not. None of us are.

                                  But some are allowed the illusion if we will just accept with docility the harm which other people experience & show our own deference by behaving as "good, decent people."

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                                    My biggest fucking privilege is that I get to live my life in a way where—if I chose—I could spend most of my time pretending I am free.

                                    I'm not. You're not. None of us are.

                                    But some are allowed the illusion if we will just accept with docility the harm which other people experience & show our own deference by behaving as "good, decent people."

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                                    Fuck "middle class". Fuck "the American dream". Fuck "upward mobility."

                                    It's not freedom until we tear down the prisons.

                                    It's not freedom until everyone's children have food to eat.

                                    It's not freedom until we stop fucking ripping apart indigenous families, Black families, families of color, poor families, HOUSELESS families...

                                    This is not fucking freedom. This is not "order". This is brutal fucking oppression.

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                                    • artemis@dice.campA artemis@dice.camp

                                      Fuck "middle class". Fuck "the American dream". Fuck "upward mobility."

                                      It's not freedom until we tear down the prisons.

                                      It's not freedom until everyone's children have food to eat.

                                      It's not freedom until we stop fucking ripping apart indigenous families, Black families, families of color, poor families, HOUSELESS families...

                                      This is not fucking freedom. This is not "order". This is brutal fucking oppression.

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                                      I'm sorry, y'all, I wish this could change with votes & legislation, but until there is a clean slate, all we're doing is trying to tailor the oppression a little more neatly.

                                      It is baked in. You just ignore it because it doesn't align with your image of your comfortable, "civilized", "decent", middle class world. That world doesn't exist, so you can't preserve it. It's a lie. You can't build a better society on a lie.

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                                      • artemis@dice.campA artemis@dice.camp

                                        At what point is the injustice too much to bear?

                                        "The Ones Who Walk Away from Omelas?" Oh if only a single tortured child were enough for us to reject this defunct capitalist nightmare "utopia"!

                                        How many children have to be torn from their parents because of petty crimes, unpaid fines, or simply FALSE ACCUSATIONS before it really disrupts our peace of mind?

                                        How many years of human misery behind bars in torturous conditions are too many?

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                                        @artemis

                                        (The answer, my friend)

                                        I guess it depends on who you ask. It's been too many/much for me for over 2 decades now, and I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one.

                                        On the other hand, there are people who apparently still think this is all fine , and I do not understand them.

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                                        • artemis@dice.campA artemis@dice.camp

                                          Fuck "middle class". Fuck "the American dream". Fuck "upward mobility."

                                          It's not freedom until we tear down the prisons.

                                          It's not freedom until everyone's children have food to eat.

                                          It's not freedom until we stop fucking ripping apart indigenous families, Black families, families of color, poor families, HOUSELESS families...

                                          This is not fucking freedom. This is not "order". This is brutal fucking oppression.

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                                          @artemis so much this that if were to boost it over a trillion times, it wouldn’t even begin to reach the emphasis I wish to express the need for this right here.

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