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When I do a web search, I do not want Google to go to the websites for me, pull the information, and interpret it for me.

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  • R raulmatias@mstdn.social

    @nuintari @evacide @kagihq So that your money goes right into Putin's pocket to kill more Ukrainians?[1] No, thanks, there are far more ethical alternatives (searxng, duckduckgo lite) which are also free.

    [1]: https://ounapuu.ee/posts/2025/07/17/kagi/

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    @raulmatias @nuintari @evacide @kagihq Just found out about https://1.org today.

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    • evacide@hachyderm.ioE evacide@hachyderm.io

      When I do a web search, I do not want Google to go to the websites for me, pull the information, and interpret it for me. I want it to give me a list of websites that I can read and evaluate myself because AI is frequently wrong: https://techcrunch.com/2026/05/19/google-search-as-you-know-it-is-over/

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      @evacide
      Google Search has been bad for quite a while now.
      I switched to DDG 6 years ago when I moved to Linux Mint.
      Even DDG can be meh at times, so I ocassionally use qwant or mogeek or ecosia to view alternatives.

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      • dukeduke@mastodon.socialD dukeduke@mastodon.social

        @evacide I hate everything google. I stopped using their search, maps, and gmail in the 2000s and I haven't missed any of it. As of last year, I finally moved to a Fairphone with /e/OS, so no more google evil in my phone. No one needs google and I'm amazed that anyone still uses their anything.

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        @DukeDuke @evacide What do you use for shared document authoring with access controls?

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        • evacide@hachyderm.ioE evacide@hachyderm.io

          When I do a web search, I do not want Google to go to the websites for me, pull the information, and interpret it for me. I want it to give me a list of websites that I can read and evaluate myself because AI is frequently wrong: https://techcrunch.com/2026/05/19/google-search-as-you-know-it-is-over/

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          @evacide thanks for the heads-up. I won't be using Google search.

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          • alisynthesis@io.waxandleather.comA alisynthesis@io.waxandleather.com

            @evacide I agree with all the people in this thread who are saying to dump Google. I also think they maybe don't realize exactly how powerful and important Google search is to culture, the economy, politics, etc.

            This has ramifications way beyond what search engine the people of Mastodon prefer.

            (for the record, I use kagi.)

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            @alisynthesis @evacide Whenever someone tells me to “Google” something I say “I don’t use Google.”
            and hope they ask a follow-up question so I can ramble on about alternatives.

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            • dukeduke@mastodon.socialD dukeduke@mastodon.social

              @evacide I hate everything google. I stopped using their search, maps, and gmail in the 2000s and I haven't missed any of it. As of last year, I finally moved to a Fairphone with /e/OS, so no more google evil in my phone. No one needs google and I'm amazed that anyone still uses their anything.

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              @DukeDuke @evacide If by some miracle I survive the summer as anything but an imminently dead homeless person, which looks about as likely as getting struck by lightning, hit by a falling meteor, bitten by a great white shark, and winning the lottery (I hope they're illegal here) all at the same time, I'll have to completely boycott all USA internet services. Not doing so is just begging for the dictatorship over there to do away with me or have me done away with by the local govt. like Operación Cóndor.

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              • evacide@hachyderm.ioE evacide@hachyderm.io

                When I do a web search, I do not want Google to go to the websites for me, pull the information, and interpret it for me. I want it to give me a list of websites that I can read and evaluate myself because AI is frequently wrong: https://techcrunch.com/2026/05/19/google-search-as-you-know-it-is-over/

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                @evacide
                One of the techs at work was telling me about Windows 12 rumors that the user will ask copilot and copilot will run the apps. So there is always copilot between you and your programs.

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                • evacide@hachyderm.ioE evacide@hachyderm.io

                  When I do a web search, I do not want Google to go to the websites for me, pull the information, and interpret it for me. I want it to give me a list of websites that I can read and evaluate myself because AI is frequently wrong: https://techcrunch.com/2026/05/19/google-search-as-you-know-it-is-over/

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                  @evacide they are really destroying the Internet, LLM contamination everywhere! 😡

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                  • evacide@hachyderm.ioE evacide@hachyderm.io

                    When I do a web search, I do not want Google to go to the websites for me, pull the information, and interpret it for me. I want it to give me a list of websites that I can read and evaluate myself because AI is frequently wrong: https://techcrunch.com/2026/05/19/google-search-as-you-know-it-is-over/

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                    @evacide

                    The fossil fuel interests behind Google's product development decisions aren't benign.

                    #PrinceBonesaw has his own agenda.

                    Information pollution to match his climate pollution & public corruption.

                    https://www.economist.com/1843/2022/07/28/mbs-despot-in-the-desert
                    https://archive.is/qddWQ

                    Access Denied

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                    (www.cnbc.com)

                    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-04-06/google-thiel-stand-out-in-saudi-prince-s-silicon-valley-tour

                    https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2025/05/13/trump-tech-execs-riyadh/

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                    Saudi Crown Prince--'Socially Acceptable War Criminal'--Enjoys US Tour Hosted by America's Elite | Common Dreams

                    Despite public relations blitz, Saudi monarchy "retains an atrocious human rights record and the situation has only deteriorated since the crown prince was appointed."

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                    Common Dreams (www.commondreams.org)

                    Koch Network has powerful allies in its ongoing anti-democracy propaganda efforts.

                    https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/27/technology/saudi-arabia-ai-exporter.html

                    Just a moment...

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                      @TheGreatLlama @evacide @nuintari @kagihq Kagi gives me search. If I want AI I end my query with a ?

                      I do that maybe once every two or three months. I am extremely happy that the choice is mine to use or not.

                      I haven't played with kagi assistant so can't say how that fits into the scheme of things.

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                      • evacide@hachyderm.ioE evacide@hachyderm.io

                        When I do a web search, I do not want Google to go to the websites for me, pull the information, and interpret it for me. I want it to give me a list of websites that I can read and evaluate myself because AI is frequently wrong: https://techcrunch.com/2026/05/19/google-search-as-you-know-it-is-over/

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                        @evacide how do you decide what sources are trustworthy though? For youngsters learning this skill that's a thing they still have to master, and that's a long term journey.

                        I suspect that the newer generations prefer the AI way, because they search their question and get an answer. I've seen my own kids get frustrated with search results that didn't even come close to what they're looking for.

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                        • avuko@infosec.exchangeA avuko@infosec.exchange

                          @evacide why think when you can… “not think” I guess is the desired state?

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                          @avuko @evacide that's a false dichotomy. Filtering lists of results isn't typically the goal of your search query, reading them to learn something is.

                          Changing the list of results with a summary of said results is merely reaching that information differently.

                          If the AI results become more factual over time and/or people learn to judge sources listed in the AI result (as they must now) it might become just more efficient.

                          Lots of ifs and buts, I'm aware, I just hope won't suck. 🤞

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                          • evacide@hachyderm.ioE evacide@hachyderm.io

                            When I do a web search, I do not want Google to go to the websites for me, pull the information, and interpret it for me. I want it to give me a list of websites that I can read and evaluate myself because AI is frequently wrong: https://techcrunch.com/2026/05/19/google-search-as-you-know-it-is-over/

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                            @evacide
                            "This shift means that “searching the web” will increasingly be performed by AI agents rather than humans."

                            At first I read "shit" instead of "shift" and it made sense all the same.

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                              @TheGreatLlama @evacide @nuintari @kagihq if you can, please do use paid services, because those businesses could really use your business most likely.

                              However there are ample search engines that are more privacy focussed and (mostly) sans AI: startpage.com, search.brave.com and the already mentioned DuckDuckGo.

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                              • evacide@hachyderm.ioE evacide@hachyderm.io

                                When I do a web search, I do not want Google to go to the websites for me, pull the information, and interpret it for me. I want it to give me a list of websites that I can read and evaluate myself because AI is frequently wrong: https://techcrunch.com/2026/05/19/google-search-as-you-know-it-is-over/

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                                @evacide With the information at https://udm14.com/ its possible to get the regular search "back" (make it a default) again.
                                https://tenbluelinks.org/ shows you how.

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                                • craftxbox@transfur.socialC craftxbox@transfur.social

                                  @evacide thanks but no thanks

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                                  @craftxbox @evacide Same. Wondering if they see the irony.

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                                  • artgeek@mastodon.socialA artgeek@mastodon.social

                                    I switched to Duck Duck Go last week, apparently just in time. Google, once obsessively minimalist and functional, has descended into an ugly pile of crap. I can onlly hope the market gives them what they deserve. 😏

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                                    @ArtGeek When google started, I used it and ignored all the other search engines because Google didn't have those annoying, flashing banner ads that loaded before everything else. At that point, Google ads were short tag lines, so everything fit in a single HTTP transaction. The tag lines reminded me of the guys at a classical music station who would read one with a "why am I reduced to this crass commercialism" tone of voice.

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                                    • evacide@hachyderm.ioE evacide@hachyderm.io

                                      When I do a web search, I do not want Google to go to the websites for me, pull the information, and interpret it for me. I want it to give me a list of websites that I can read and evaluate myself because AI is frequently wrong: https://techcrunch.com/2026/05/19/google-search-as-you-know-it-is-over/

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                                      @evacide That's why I don't use Google.

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                                      • evacide@hachyderm.ioE evacide@hachyderm.io

                                        When I do a web search, I do not want Google to go to the websites for me, pull the information, and interpret it for me. I want it to give me a list of websites that I can read and evaluate myself because AI is frequently wrong: https://techcrunch.com/2026/05/19/google-search-as-you-know-it-is-over/

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                                        @evacide and since google still wants to make billions by selling keywords the llm summary will contain tailored wrong information catering to whoever pays the most.

                                        It will be wrong on purpose.

                                        The vast majority of third party search providers just use the google or bing index. I see a not so distant future where they stop selling access to the index. Killing off those other search engines over night.

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                                        • evacide@hachyderm.ioE evacide@hachyderm.io

                                          When I do a web search, I do not want Google to go to the websites for me, pull the information, and interpret it for me. I want it to give me a list of websites that I can read and evaluate myself because AI is frequently wrong: https://techcrunch.com/2026/05/19/google-search-as-you-know-it-is-over/

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                                          @evacide

                                          For anyone that wants to turn it off
                                          https://support.google.com/websearch/thread/381948916/how-to-shut-down-and-delete-the-ai-mode-from-google?hl=en

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