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WIRED has gone ahead with publishing an extraordinarily inaccurate article about GrapheneOS.

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  • grapheneos@grapheneos.socialG grapheneos@grapheneos.social

    WIRED has gone ahead with publishing an extraordinarily inaccurate article about GrapheneOS. It presents a highly inaccurate history of the GrapheneOS project heavily based on fabrications from James Donaldson. WIRED failed to incorporate most of our responses to his inaccurate claims.

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    Donaldson has fabricated a whole alternate history of the project and Copperhead including leaving out the fact that it had 3 co-founders rather than 2. Donaldson lived off income brought in by Daniel's open source project created prior to the company. He certainly didn't fund it as he claims.

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    • grapheneos@grapheneos.socialG grapheneos@grapheneos.social

      Donaldson has fabricated a whole alternate history of the project and Copperhead including leaving out the fact that it had 3 co-founders rather than 2. Donaldson lived off income brought in by Daniel's open source project created prior to the company. He certainly didn't fund it as he claims.

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      Prior to publishing the article, a fact checker at WIRED asked us a long series of questions about the project. These questions made it extremely clear that the article was largely sourced from fabrications from Donaldson despite it not being specified. It's not a real history of GrapheneOS at all.

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      • grapheneos@grapheneos.socialG grapheneos@grapheneos.social

        Prior to publishing the article, a fact checker at WIRED asked us a long series of questions about the project. These questions made it extremely clear that the article was largely sourced from fabrications from Donaldson despite it not being specified. It's not a real history of GrapheneOS at all.

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        Our community manager spring-onion (Dave Wilson) handled nearly all of the communications with WIRED. He's a public-facing member of our moderation team and well known in our community. WIRED first reached out to Daniel, promised the story wouldn't be about him and were handed off to spring-onion.

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        • grapheneos@grapheneos.socialG grapheneos@grapheneos.social

          Our community manager spring-onion (Dave Wilson) handled nearly all of the communications with WIRED. He's a public-facing member of our moderation team and well known in our community. WIRED first reached out to Daniel, promised the story wouldn't be about him and were handed off to spring-onion.

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          WIRED heavily misled about the article. They led us to believe the article would be about GrapheneOS with little coverage of the history. They repeatedly reassured us it would hardly have any of the content it ended up being based around. Therefore, we had no opportunity to properly address it.

          hipsterelectron@circumstances.runH gabrielmarkley@techhub.socialG june@mastodon.catgirl.cloudJ grapheneos@grapheneos.socialG 4 Replies Last reply
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          • grapheneos@grapheneos.socialG grapheneos@grapheneos.social

            Donaldson has fabricated a whole alternate history of the project and Copperhead including leaving out the fact that it had 3 co-founders rather than 2. Donaldson lived off income brought in by Daniel's open source project created prior to the company. He certainly didn't fund it as he claims.

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            @GrapheneOS

            I haven't yet read the Wired article.

            Darknet J? I vaguely remember him from the IRC chats.

            He's primarily responsible for continuing on the name of CopperheadOS?

            Why would Wired give his accounting credence when Copperhead immediately fell into irrelevance once Stinger moved on.

            Did Wired not reference court documents to corroborate and discern facts?

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            • grapheneos@grapheneos.socialG grapheneos@grapheneos.social

              WIRED heavily misled about the article. They led us to believe the article would be about GrapheneOS with little coverage of the history. They repeatedly reassured us it would hardly have any of the content it ended up being based around. Therefore, we had no opportunity to properly address it.

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              @GrapheneOS i hate that this shit keeps happening

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              • grapheneos@grapheneos.socialG grapheneos@grapheneos.social

                WIRED has gone ahead with publishing an extraordinarily inaccurate article about GrapheneOS. It presents a highly inaccurate history of the GrapheneOS project heavily based on fabrications from James Donaldson. WIRED failed to incorporate most of our responses to his inaccurate claims.

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                @GrapheneOS

                GrapheneOS has consistently, for 10+ years, worked in the best interest of users with extraodinarily high development standards.

                At the difficult decision points I'm aware of as an end user, each time the project remained true to developing an impeccable secure & private mobile OS.

                This is the remarkable story that should be reported about GrapheneOS.

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                • grapheneos@grapheneos.socialG grapheneos@grapheneos.social

                  WIRED heavily misled about the article. They led us to believe the article would be about GrapheneOS with little coverage of the history. They repeatedly reassured us it would hardly have any of the content it ended up being based around. Therefore, we had no opportunity to properly address it.

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                  @GrapheneOS I am so sorry. This is a sad day for #wired facts matter in life thank you for the clarification and explanation.

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                  • grapheneos@grapheneos.socialG grapheneos@grapheneos.social

                    WIRED has gone ahead with publishing an extraordinarily inaccurate article about GrapheneOS. It presents a highly inaccurate history of the GrapheneOS project heavily based on fabrications from James Donaldson. WIRED failed to incorporate most of our responses to his inaccurate claims.

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                    @GrapheneOS Perhaps reaching out to Dan? @dangoodin

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                    • grapheneos@grapheneos.socialG grapheneos@grapheneos.social

                      WIRED has gone ahead with publishing an extraordinarily inaccurate article about GrapheneOS. It presents a highly inaccurate history of the GrapheneOS project heavily based on fabrications from James Donaldson. WIRED failed to incorporate most of our responses to his inaccurate claims.

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                      @GrapheneOS may be worthwhile to publish both their fact-checker's questions and your responses somewhere.

                      People will be able to draw their own conclusions by contrasting info available to their editors vs. things they omitted from the final text.

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                      • grapheneos@grapheneos.socialG grapheneos@grapheneos.social

                        WIRED heavily misled about the article. They led us to believe the article would be about GrapheneOS with little coverage of the history. They repeatedly reassured us it would hardly have any of the content it ended up being based around. Therefore, we had no opportunity to properly address it.

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                        @GrapheneOS the articles third sentence reads "Claude refers to him as [...]" so you know it's quality journalism if there is ai prominently among their sources lol

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                        • june@mastodon.catgirl.cloudJ june@mastodon.catgirl.cloud

                          @GrapheneOS the articles third sentence reads "Claude refers to him as [...]" so you know it's quality journalism if there is ai prominently among their sources lol

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                          @June I'm truly baffled by the deference some people display towards LLMs. Like, even using it for work where it can just make stuff up undeterred, but saying "this mindless program referred to the person in question as..." as if that meant anything at all is alarming

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                          • grapheneos@grapheneos.socialG grapheneos@grapheneos.social

                            WIRED heavily misled about the article. They led us to believe the article would be about GrapheneOS with little coverage of the history. They repeatedly reassured us it would hardly have any of the content it ended up being based around. Therefore, we had no opportunity to properly address it.

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                            We made a forum post at https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/34369-original-grapheneos-responses-to-wired-fact-checker which contains an overview of the situation along with the unmodified answers we provided to WIRED's fact checker. You can see for yourself what we provided and that it wasn't anywhere close to adequately incorporated into the article.

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                            • paulnatsuo@scholar.socialP paulnatsuo@scholar.social

                              @GrapheneOS may be worthwhile to publish both their fact-checker's questions and your responses somewhere.

                              People will be able to draw their own conclusions by contrasting info available to their editors vs. things they omitted from the final text.

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                              @paulnatsuo We made a post at https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/34369-original-grapheneos-responses-to-wired-fact-checker containing an overview of the situation and then the full unmodified response we provided to WIRED for their long series of questions about the article. It's plainly visible that they didn't come anywhere close to adequately incorporating this into the article. There's also the massive issue that this was only asked by a fact checker after the article was entirely written. That's not how things should be even if it was properly incorporated.

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                              • grapheneos@grapheneos.socialG grapheneos@grapheneos.social

                                We made a forum post at https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/34369-original-grapheneos-responses-to-wired-fact-checker which contains an overview of the situation along with the unmodified answers we provided to WIRED's fact checker. You can see for yourself what we provided and that it wasn't anywhere close to adequately incorporated into the article.

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                                @GrapheneOS you should sue them, and everyone else spreading lies and slander about GrapheneOS.

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                                  @SharpCheddarGoblin @GrapheneOS
                                  cuz an article about grapheneos gets clicks (even false information) and clicks mean ad revenue and profit

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                                    @SharpCheddarGoblin @GrapheneOS yeppers

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                                    • grapheneos@grapheneos.socialG grapheneos@grapheneos.social

                                      We made a forum post at https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/34369-original-grapheneos-responses-to-wired-fact-checker which contains an overview of the situation along with the unmodified answers we provided to WIRED's fact checker. You can see for yourself what we provided and that it wasn't anywhere close to adequately incorporated into the article.

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                                      After the article was submitted, we received that list of questions from WIRED's fact checker. We realized the article was largely going to be a fake account of the history of the project based on Donaldson's claim. That's when we made these posts:

                                      https://x.com/GrapheneOS/status/2043854907116027914
                                      https://bsky.app/profile/grapheneos.org/post/3mjyyndedqc2i

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                                      • grapheneos@grapheneos.socialG grapheneos@grapheneos.social

                                        After the article was submitted, we received that list of questions from WIRED's fact checker. We realized the article was largely going to be a fake account of the history of the project based on Donaldson's claim. That's when we made these posts:

                                        https://x.com/GrapheneOS/status/2043854907116027914
                                        https://bsky.app/profile/grapheneos.org/post/3mjyyndedqc2i

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                                        A small portion of our response to those questions was incorporated, but not most of it. There's also more we weren't asked about which we can now see is in the article. We tried to address that at in the initial overview at https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/34369-original-grapheneos-responses-to-wired-fact-checker prior to the submitted answers.

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                                        • grapheneos@grapheneos.socialG grapheneos@grapheneos.social

                                          A small portion of our response to those questions was incorporated, but not most of it. There's also more we weren't asked about which we can now see is in the article. We tried to address that at in the initial overview at https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/34369-original-grapheneos-responses-to-wired-fact-checker prior to the submitted answers.

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                                          @GrapheneOS I've been a happy user of GrapheneOS for years. Shame to see WIRED's low standards for journalistic integrity here. Wishing everyone at Graphene well. 🙂

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