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If you think "I can't study nature where I live.

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  • futurebird@sauropods.winF This user is from outside of this forum
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    If you think "I can't study nature where I live. There is no nature here." there is another way to look at this.

    First you are wrong. There is nature everywhere.

    But you can think of your anthropocene environment as "easy mode" you won't be overwhelmed with species, you just need to start by learning the big players.

    Just last week @twizzt told me about Evania appendigaster which is a wasp that lays it's eggs in the eggs of roaches. I spot it by the rail-road overpass the next day!

    gavinchait@wandering.shopG futurebird@sauropods.winF loathsome_dongeater@toots.matapacos.dogL datarama@hachyderm.ioD L 8 Replies Last reply
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    • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

      If you think "I can't study nature where I live. There is no nature here." there is another way to look at this.

      First you are wrong. There is nature everywhere.

      But you can think of your anthropocene environment as "easy mode" you won't be overwhelmed with species, you just need to start by learning the big players.

      Just last week @twizzt told me about Evania appendigaster which is a wasp that lays it's eggs in the eggs of roaches. I spot it by the rail-road overpass the next day!

      gavinchait@wandering.shopG This user is from outside of this forum
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      @futurebird @twizzt there was a great book I had as a kid by Gerald Durrel called The Amateur Naturalist in which he went chapter by chapter showing you how to find interesting biomes just outside your front door. Was an amazing thing for a kid to encourage exploration.

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      • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

        If you think "I can't study nature where I live. There is no nature here." there is another way to look at this.

        First you are wrong. There is nature everywhere.

        But you can think of your anthropocene environment as "easy mode" you won't be overwhelmed with species, you just need to start by learning the big players.

        Just last week @twizzt told me about Evania appendigaster which is a wasp that lays it's eggs in the eggs of roaches. I spot it by the rail-road overpass the next day!

        futurebird@sauropods.winF This user is from outside of this forum
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        @twizzt

        Urban ecology can be a little gross, but all ecologies are gross when you look into it. There is also heroism, great battles and wars are all around you. But you need to tune in to the most common living things in your area first and learn their names and how they live.

        By the way this parasitoid wasp? It's a lovely creature. It has dark blue eyes and a waist that'd make a fashion house jealous.

        Someone should make a dress based on this wasp. It would win awards.

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        • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

          @twizzt

          Urban ecology can be a little gross, but all ecologies are gross when you look into it. There is also heroism, great battles and wars are all around you. But you need to tune in to the most common living things in your area first and learn their names and how they live.

          By the way this parasitoid wasp? It's a lovely creature. It has dark blue eyes and a waist that'd make a fashion house jealous.

          Someone should make a dress based on this wasp. It would win awards.

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          @twizzt

          Now... I am glad that I have seen the wasp, but I have so many questions. Roaches don't just lay their eggs and leave them laying around. No, they make a little packet called an ootheca and to keep it safe a female roach will drag this around with her (it contains 15-60 eggs!) until it's just ready to hatch. So these wasps must land on the female roaches? How does it all go down?

          You see? Nature is everywhere!

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          • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

            If you think "I can't study nature where I live. There is no nature here." there is another way to look at this.

            First you are wrong. There is nature everywhere.

            But you can think of your anthropocene environment as "easy mode" you won't be overwhelmed with species, you just need to start by learning the big players.

            Just last week @twizzt told me about Evania appendigaster which is a wasp that lays it's eggs in the eggs of roaches. I spot it by the rail-road overpass the next day!

            loathsome_dongeater@toots.matapacos.dogL This user is from outside of this forum
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            @futurebird how can I go about identifying plants without asking someone who knows? Are there books or resources that can help with this? These aren't obscure plants. They are common. I just don't know their names.

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            • loathsome_dongeater@toots.matapacos.dogL loathsome_dongeater@toots.matapacos.dog

              @futurebird how can I go about identifying plants without asking someone who knows? Are there books or resources that can help with this? These aren't obscure plants. They are common. I just don't know their names.

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              @loathsome_dongeater

              This is a great question. This summer I have started learning my trees. I'm not so good with plants yet.

              I'd suggest maybe getting an urban field guide and posting really clear photos in the right place to ask for help. I do know with plants seeing seeds, flowers, and how stems are aligned are important for getting the right ID.

              Simply getting the genus right is a big accomplishment. Try to do that and celebrate when you nail it!

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              • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

                If you think "I can't study nature where I live. There is no nature here." there is another way to look at this.

                First you are wrong. There is nature everywhere.

                But you can think of your anthropocene environment as "easy mode" you won't be overwhelmed with species, you just need to start by learning the big players.

                Just last week @twizzt told me about Evania appendigaster which is a wasp that lays it's eggs in the eggs of roaches. I spot it by the rail-road overpass the next day!

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                @futurebird @twizzt One thing I keep thinking about, living in the middle of a city, is how absolutely surrounded by birds we are here. And they're mostly invisible to us - we pay them no attention, unless a rare bird individual for some reason brings attention to itself.

                And what is striking to me is that this is a near-total inversion of what life on this planet was like some 70 million years ago. Large diapsids ruled the roost and were surrounded by little synapsids they didn't pay much attention to - and now, large synapsids are in charge, surrounded by little diapsids we don't pay much attention to.

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                • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

                  @loathsome_dongeater

                  This is a great question. This summer I have started learning my trees. I'm not so good with plants yet.

                  I'd suggest maybe getting an urban field guide and posting really clear photos in the right place to ask for help. I do know with plants seeing seeds, flowers, and how stems are aligned are important for getting the right ID.

                  Simply getting the genus right is a big accomplishment. Try to do that and celebrate when you nail it!

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                  @futurebird thank you ma'am

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                  • datarama@hachyderm.ioD datarama@hachyderm.io

                    @futurebird @twizzt One thing I keep thinking about, living in the middle of a city, is how absolutely surrounded by birds we are here. And they're mostly invisible to us - we pay them no attention, unless a rare bird individual for some reason brings attention to itself.

                    And what is striking to me is that this is a near-total inversion of what life on this planet was like some 70 million years ago. Large diapsids ruled the roost and were surrounded by little synapsids they didn't pay much attention to - and now, large synapsids are in charge, surrounded by little diapsids we don't pay much attention to.

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                    @datarama @twizzt

                    I tend to think the hymenopterans are "in charge" but not enough people listen to me when I explain this.

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                    • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

                      @datarama @twizzt

                      I tend to think the hymenopterans are "in charge" but not enough people listen to me when I explain this.

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                      @futurebird @twizzt I was thinking in the sense of "back when the dinosaurs ruled", which was always a silly simplification.

                      There's quite a lot more hymenopterans than there are of us, and the regional distribution is about the same. But they can live just fine without us, whereas we're doomed without them.

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                      • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

                        @loathsome_dongeater

                        This is a great question. This summer I have started learning my trees. I'm not so good with plants yet.

                        I'd suggest maybe getting an urban field guide and posting really clear photos in the right place to ask for help. I do know with plants seeing seeds, flowers, and how stems are aligned are important for getting the right ID.

                        Simply getting the genus right is a big accomplishment. Try to do that and celebrate when you nail it!

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                        @futurebird @loathsome_dongeater I've had decent luck using a mobile app called Seek, which draws on the iNaturalist database to give suggested species IDs by pointing my phone camera at things. It's certainly far from infallible, but often it at least helps give me clues that I can use to check against websites and guidebooks.

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                        • paralithode@polychrom.ingP paralithode@polychrom.ing

                          @futurebird @loathsome_dongeater I've had decent luck using a mobile app called Seek, which draws on the iNaturalist database to give suggested species IDs by pointing my phone camera at things. It's certainly far from infallible, but often it at least helps give me clues that I can use to check against websites and guidebooks.

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                          @paralithode @loathsome_dongeater

                          The apps are fine, I have mixed feelings about them but they can give you a starting place.

                          If a bug is very common and you really want to know what it is you may need to commit a murder since getting it under a microscope can be the only way to really know.

                          The next best things are excellent photos.

                          I use my iPhone in a pinch but the SLR with the big lens is better.

                          But really just noticing what creatures are most common is the first step.

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                          • datarama@hachyderm.ioD datarama@hachyderm.io

                            @futurebird @twizzt One thing I keep thinking about, living in the middle of a city, is how absolutely surrounded by birds we are here. And they're mostly invisible to us - we pay them no attention, unless a rare bird individual for some reason brings attention to itself.

                            And what is striking to me is that this is a near-total inversion of what life on this planet was like some 70 million years ago. Large diapsids ruled the roost and were surrounded by little synapsids they didn't pay much attention to - and now, large synapsids are in charge, surrounded by little diapsids we don't pay much attention to.

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                            @datarama @futurebird @twizzt "in charge" 🤣

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                            • loathsome_dongeater@toots.matapacos.dogL loathsome_dongeater@toots.matapacos.dog

                              @futurebird how can I go about identifying plants without asking someone who knows? Are there books or resources that can help with this? These aren't obscure plants. They are common. I just don't know their names.

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                              @loathsome_dongeater There are apps like @FloraIncognita (for Europe) or #inaturalist, working with photos.
                              There's also an old offline system, where you go through a flow diagram, watching the colour of flowers, the form of a leaf, the fixing of leaves on the stem etc. and at the end you get one or more results. These methods exist in form of books, ask perhaps at your library?

                              @futurebird

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                                @loathsome_dongeater There are apps like @FloraIncognita (for Europe) or #inaturalist, working with photos.
                                There's also an old offline system, where you go through a flow diagram, watching the colour of flowers, the form of a leaf, the fixing of leaves on the stem etc. and at the end you get one or more results. These methods exist in form of books, ask perhaps at your library?

                                @futurebird

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                                @loathsome_dongeater

                                Perhaps this could help you:
                                https://indiaflora-ces.iisc.ac.in/

                                @futurebird

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                                • wyatt_h_knott@mstdn.socialW wyatt_h_knott@mstdn.social

                                  @datarama @futurebird @twizzt "in charge" 🤣

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                                  @wyatt_h_knott @futurebird @twizzt That mammals are now the dominant large animals is no more or less absurd than that dinosaurs used to be.

                                  (obviously, "rule" and "in charge" or even "dominant" are somewhat silly terms, the planetary ecosystem is not an authoritarian chain of command.)

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                                  • datarama@hachyderm.ioD datarama@hachyderm.io

                                    @wyatt_h_knott @futurebird @twizzt That mammals are now the dominant large animals is no more or less absurd than that dinosaurs used to be.

                                    (obviously, "rule" and "in charge" or even "dominant" are somewhat silly terms, the planetary ecosystem is not an authoritarian chain of command.)

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                                    @datarama @wyatt_h_knott @twizzt

                                    Everyone is so impressed with animals being big. It ain't all that. hmph

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                                    • datarama@hachyderm.ioD datarama@hachyderm.io

                                      @wyatt_h_knott @futurebird @twizzt That mammals are now the dominant large animals is no more or less absurd than that dinosaurs used to be.

                                      (obviously, "rule" and "in charge" or even "dominant" are somewhat silly terms, the planetary ecosystem is not an authoritarian chain of command.)

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                                      @datarama yep. well said.

                                      @futurebird @twizzt

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                                      • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

                                        @datarama @wyatt_h_knott @twizzt

                                        Everyone is so impressed with animals being big. It ain't all that. hmph

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                                        @futurebird @wyatt_h_knott @twizzt Being big means you're a lot more likely to leave lots of cool fossils when you die!

                                        It also means you're extra screwed when the asteroid hits.

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                                        • datarama@hachyderm.ioD datarama@hachyderm.io

                                          @futurebird @wyatt_h_knott @twizzt Being big means you're a lot more likely to leave lots of cool fossils when you die!

                                          It also means you're extra screwed when the asteroid hits.

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                                          @datarama Being little means you can leave complete specimens encased in amber for future study! There's no giant reptiles completely encased in preservatives. All we get from them is rotten old bones.

                                          @futurebird @twizzt

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