I know this #Discord nonsense has a lot of people searching for alternatives (like Matrix, Stoat, etc), and those alternatives have a chance to shine right now.
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@killyourfm Across all use-cases like being able to communicate 1-on-1, broadcast messages to your group, being able to share thoughts with the "web", and more, what often ends up happening, at least for me, is that I keep an account at all of these places, because you can't convince people to switch over, and you have to be where your audience is.
@myTerminal That's heartbreakingly true, and as someone who has built and managed many communities, I totally get it. It just sucks because the communities get more and more fragmented.
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@myTerminal That's heartbreakingly true, and as someone who has built and managed many communities, I totally get it. It just sucks because the communities get more and more fragmented.
@killyourfm And because I am usually that one person who is often heard talking about "the next perfect" platform for the group, people tend to start ignoring me after a couple of "painful" switches, eventually going back to their #WhatsApp groups.
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@myTerminal That's heartbreakingly true, and as someone who has built and managed many communities, I totally get it. It just sucks because the communities get more and more fragmented.
@killyourfm And again, the scale of the "micro" communities I've built isn't even remotely comparable to yours.
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Gardiner and I discussed this, reigniting his forum. But...we've ended up on Matrix
@flwwhtrbt Honestly, that's a bummer. There's still a fairly tall barrier to entry for quote/unquote normal users. Also, when I worked at Thunderbird, I can't tell you how many times we all ended up on Slack (our backup) because the Matrix instance was either down or not syncing or otherwise borked.
Not to mention using it on multiple devices can be a serious pain point.
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@killyourfm And because I am usually that one person who is often heard talking about "the next perfect" platform for the group, people tend to start ignoring me after a couple of "painful" switches, eventually going back to their #WhatsApp groups.
@myTerminal 🥺 I've never understood the appeal of WhatsApp groups, not to mention despising the parent company.
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@myTerminal 🥺 I've never understood the appeal of WhatsApp groups, not to mention despising the parent company.
@killyourfm And the people who advocate for them use it all wrong! I believe in using the right tool for the job, and man have I seen people use it stuff.
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I know this #Discord nonsense has a lot of people searching for alternatives (like Matrix, Stoat, etc), and those alternatives have a chance to shine right now. BUT we need to go back to discussions and knowledge being searchable on the open web!
I say bring back the forums. It's time.
@killyourfm I’ve never used Discord but all this discussion has made me want to start a hiking-related IRC server.
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@GlitchGhost Between AI and enshittification, It definitely feels like the right time to being back the gold standards from the classic web, especially RSS!
@killyourfm damn right, i only found out about RSS in 2022 or 2023 when i ditched social media for a while and it solved my dilemma of wanting to follow and keep up with stuff on the web without needing to signup for 200+ sites when i just want to follow and read stuff and its been around since 1999 and it never really went away and a ton of sites still use it today and i hope more people redicover it for those who want to be free of algorithms and its nice to see the fedi has RSS support
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@killyourfm damn right, i only found out about RSS in 2022 or 2023 when i ditched social media for a while and it solved my dilemma of wanting to follow and keep up with stuff on the web without needing to signup for 200+ sites when i just want to follow and read stuff and its been around since 1999 and it never really went away and a ton of sites still use it today and i hope more people redicover it for those who want to be free of algorithms and its nice to see the fedi has RSS support
@killyourfm one thing is they need to add support for images in the RSS becuase i like when sites have full text RSS when you can get everything and read it in full with miages and videos right in the web reader without needing to go to the site itself, thats one thing i want to see if RSS becomes the norm again
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@killyourfm one thing is they need to add support for images in the RSS becuase i like when sites have full text RSS when you can get everything and read it in full with miages and videos right in the web reader without needing to go to the site itself, thats one thing i want to see if RSS becomes the norm again
@killyourfm another thing is a website needs to be open to where anyone can browse it without them being behind a login screen so thats one thing that might hurt RSS with how locked down the web has been becoming in the past few years at least on the big tech stuff but im sure that wont be an issue on the indie web and blogs and whatever else comes along. RSS is pretty much the subscribe button for the web
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@killyourfm another thing is a website needs to be open to where anyone can browse it without them being behind a login screen so thats one thing that might hurt RSS with how locked down the web has been becoming in the past few years at least on the big tech stuff but im sure that wont be an issue on the indie web and blogs and whatever else comes along. RSS is pretty much the subscribe button for the web
@glitchghost@retro-gaiden.com fwiw NodeBB is a federating forum that ships with full text RSS support
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I know this #Discord nonsense has a lot of people searching for alternatives (like Matrix, Stoat, etc), and those alternatives have a chance to shine right now. BUT we need to go back to discussions and knowledge being searchable on the open web!
I say bring back the forums. It's time.
@killyourfm LOL, I posted the same sentiment this morning. I think the real trick is to make it as easy to set up and run a modern forum (secure, spam-free, ddos resistant, etc) as it was to setup phpbb back in the old days. Maybe Discourse is the way?
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I know this #Discord nonsense has a lot of people searching for alternatives (like Matrix, Stoat, etc), and those alternatives have a chance to shine right now. BUT we need to go back to discussions and knowledge being searchable on the open web!
I say bring back the forums. It's time.
@BorrisInABox @killyourfm And then I need 50 accounts for the 50 Discord servers I'm in, and the forums will be half accessible or even better always differ in accessibility, will for sure not have voice channels and won't replace Discord because Discord is an instant messaging platform and no knowledge base.
I agree with your point, Discord should've never been used as forum replacement, but forums won't replace the main point of Discord. -
I know this #Discord nonsense has a lot of people searching for alternatives (like Matrix, Stoat, etc), and those alternatives have a chance to shine right now. BUT we need to go back to discussions and knowledge being searchable on the open web!
I say bring back the forums. It's time.
@killyourfm Back to forums? Yes, please!!! I used to write in forums, found friends there, until that damned FB killed them all. I lost so many contacts (I never joined FB) and miss people and discussions about special topics ...
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I know this #Discord nonsense has a lot of people searching for alternatives (like Matrix, Stoat, etc), and those alternatives have a chance to shine right now. BUT we need to go back to discussions and knowledge being searchable on the open web!
I say bring back the forums. It's time.
@killyourfm Football fans forums for Premier Lesgue teams are quite active to be honest
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I know this #Discord nonsense has a lot of people searching for alternatives (like Matrix, Stoat, etc), and those alternatives have a chance to shine right now. BUT we need to go back to discussions and knowledge being searchable on the open web!
I say bring back the forums. It's time.
@killyourfm I miss forums.
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@BorrisInABox @killyourfm And then I need 50 accounts for the 50 Discord servers I'm in, and the forums will be half accessible or even better always differ in accessibility, will for sure not have voice channels and won't replace Discord because Discord is an instant messaging platform and no knowledge base.
I agree with your point, Discord should've never been used as forum replacement, but forums won't replace the main point of Discord.@jonathan859 @killyourfm You mean the point that way too many people aren't actually using Discord for?
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I know this #Discord nonsense has a lot of people searching for alternatives (like Matrix, Stoat, etc), and those alternatives have a chance to shine right now. BUT we need to go back to discussions and knowledge being searchable on the open web!
I say bring back the forums. It's time.
Regarding forums, a few that I used to use have had to go "members only" or use firewalls like Anubis because of scrapers. It is frustrating for some users because they can't even use a regular search engine to look for things on their own forum. (This even pushed users to Discord!)
I do prefer having things open, and especially prefer not having to make an account. So I hope that forums stay mostly open and not members-only.
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@myTerminal That's heartbreakingly true, and as someone who has built and managed many communities, I totally get it. It just sucks because the communities get more and more fragmented.
@killyourfm @myTerminal I have arrived at the conclusion that if someone I know enough for that kind of communication suggests a new *sensible* platform I am not already using, that is fine, I will use it. You have taken up Session or SimpleX: Cool. Let's do that. Even between Signal, Matrix, Delta Chat, Nextcloud Talk and Threema, I have a pretty good idea where people are. Of course, all this is for private communications, so not on a huge scale.
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I know this #Discord nonsense has a lot of people searching for alternatives (like Matrix, Stoat, etc), and those alternatives have a chance to shine right now. BUT we need to go back to discussions and knowledge being searchable on the open web!
I say bring back the forums. It's time.
I wasted so much time on badly moderated forums, I'm burnt out on them.
No, the answer "I don't know what I did, but now it's working" isn't a valid solution.
I'm also not going to find the answer on page 81 of 217, because most forum searches are not that great unfortunately.There are some ways to make forums more useful, but they all require moderation and effort, which, let's be honest, will probably be handed over to an AI anyway.
