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  • trevorflowers@hachyderm.ioT trevorflowers@hachyderm.io

    The best advice I have for new nerds: Refuse to pay rent.

    Don't subscribe. Don't lease. Don't use their cloud. Don't slip down the freemium slope. Don't create accounts on their services.

    Buy it once. Run it local. Avoid commercial software.

    It'll be a huge pain and you'll be an outsider but it'll be endless, interesting, and hard fun that'll pay you back with a curious mind and an understanding of the fabric of our intellectual infrastructure that will make you light-years more capable, useful, and healthy than the "AI" zombies.

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    @trevorflowers good words. It is a huge pain, when you finally quit. I always knew, but never realized, that I don't own a single movie I "bought" in iTunes. I have to keep my apple account to watch them.

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    • trevorflowers@hachyderm.ioT trevorflowers@hachyderm.io

      The best advice I have for new nerds: Refuse to pay rent.

      Don't subscribe. Don't lease. Don't use their cloud. Don't slip down the freemium slope. Don't create accounts on their services.

      Buy it once. Run it local. Avoid commercial software.

      It'll be a huge pain and you'll be an outsider but it'll be endless, interesting, and hard fun that'll pay you back with a curious mind and an understanding of the fabric of our intellectual infrastructure that will make you light-years more capable, useful, and healthy than the "AI" zombies.

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      @trevorflowers I'm not sure my land lord is going to like that advice 😅

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      • trevorflowers@hachyderm.ioT trevorflowers@hachyderm.io

        The best advice I have for new nerds: Refuse to pay rent.

        Don't subscribe. Don't lease. Don't use their cloud. Don't slip down the freemium slope. Don't create accounts on their services.

        Buy it once. Run it local. Avoid commercial software.

        It'll be a huge pain and you'll be an outsider but it'll be endless, interesting, and hard fun that'll pay you back with a curious mind and an understanding of the fabric of our intellectual infrastructure that will make you light-years more capable, useful, and healthy than the "AI" zombies.

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        @trevorflowers@hachyderm.io 100% except if you dont have a good internet connection, then a vps is warranted, I've spent too many hours fighting my isp

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        • trevorflowers@hachyderm.ioT trevorflowers@hachyderm.io

          The best advice I have for new nerds: Refuse to pay rent.

          Don't subscribe. Don't lease. Don't use their cloud. Don't slip down the freemium slope. Don't create accounts on their services.

          Buy it once. Run it local. Avoid commercial software.

          It'll be a huge pain and you'll be an outsider but it'll be endless, interesting, and hard fun that'll pay you back with a curious mind and an understanding of the fabric of our intellectual infrastructure that will make you light-years more capable, useful, and healthy than the "AI" zombies.

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          I understand, many reasons exist that make paying rent seem better and you're not wrong, exactly. You are, however, missing my point.

          The situations that make us want to pay rent *are* what make us zombies. 🧟 Working the hard fun in order to own our stack *is* what makes us capable and curious.

          Notice the reasons why paying rent makes sense and then ask yourself, "Who made that situation? Why is that the convenient path? Does a different choice, no matter how inconvenient, even exist?"

          Look around for people living a different way and then modify it for yourself, day after day.

          You'll get there. I believe in you.

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          • trevorflowers@hachyderm.ioT trevorflowers@hachyderm.io

            The best advice I have for new nerds: Refuse to pay rent.

            Don't subscribe. Don't lease. Don't use their cloud. Don't slip down the freemium slope. Don't create accounts on their services.

            Buy it once. Run it local. Avoid commercial software.

            It'll be a huge pain and you'll be an outsider but it'll be endless, interesting, and hard fun that'll pay you back with a curious mind and an understanding of the fabric of our intellectual infrastructure that will make you light-years more capable, useful, and healthy than the "AI" zombies.

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            When AI zombies are your bosses and colleagues at work it paints a really grim and dark picture. Lately people want to make you believe that if you do not hop in you will be lost and forgotten forever. Out of job. Moved, even more, to the margins of society. The fearmongering keeps increasing. I always prided myself in my capacity for curiosity and understanding but I'm starting to be a little bit afraid and a lot more angry and I find myself wondering how much can I keep going

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            • fluffydotorg@sfba.socialF fluffydotorg@sfba.social

              @trevorflowers I'm freaking really annoyed with myself for buying into the "streaming services for music" thing but also it exposes me to so much stuff and I still buy physical media with mp3 downloads or bandcamp so there's also stuff I own. I'm ok with "cloud storage" for files but do have a local physical backup for safety.

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              @fluffydotorg @trevorflowers streaming for discovery purposes is fine - beats the old model of “I liked this song, I’ll buy the CD” and then find out the one song was the only good one after you’re out $15.

              But if you like an artist, buy the album. Get a physical copy that will be yours permanently.

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              • trevorflowers@hachyderm.ioT trevorflowers@hachyderm.io

                The best advice I have for new nerds: Refuse to pay rent.

                Don't subscribe. Don't lease. Don't use their cloud. Don't slip down the freemium slope. Don't create accounts on their services.

                Buy it once. Run it local. Avoid commercial software.

                It'll be a huge pain and you'll be an outsider but it'll be endless, interesting, and hard fun that'll pay you back with a curious mind and an understanding of the fabric of our intellectual infrastructure that will make you light-years more capable, useful, and healthy than the "AI" zombies.

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                @trevorflowers the only "rent" I pay is to my ISP (monthly) and IANA (yearly)

                good advice

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                • inlovewithpda@chaos.socialI inlovewithpda@chaos.social

                  @trevorflowers good words. It is a huge pain, when you finally quit. I always knew, but never realized, that I don't own a single movie I "bought" in iTunes. I have to keep my apple account to watch them.

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                  @inlovewithpda @trevorflowers A wise man said, "if buying isn't owning, then piracy isn't theft."

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                  • trevorflowers@hachyderm.ioT trevorflowers@hachyderm.io

                    The best advice I have for new nerds: Refuse to pay rent.

                    Don't subscribe. Don't lease. Don't use their cloud. Don't slip down the freemium slope. Don't create accounts on their services.

                    Buy it once. Run it local. Avoid commercial software.

                    It'll be a huge pain and you'll be an outsider but it'll be endless, interesting, and hard fun that'll pay you back with a curious mind and an understanding of the fabric of our intellectual infrastructure that will make you light-years more capable, useful, and healthy than the "AI" zombies.

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                    @trevorflowers

                    Cosign in musician

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                    • trevorflowers@hachyderm.ioT trevorflowers@hachyderm.io

                      The best advice I have for new nerds: Refuse to pay rent.

                      Don't subscribe. Don't lease. Don't use their cloud. Don't slip down the freemium slope. Don't create accounts on their services.

                      Buy it once. Run it local. Avoid commercial software.

                      It'll be a huge pain and you'll be an outsider but it'll be endless, interesting, and hard fun that'll pay you back with a curious mind and an understanding of the fabric of our intellectual infrastructure that will make you light-years more capable, useful, and healthy than the "AI" zombies.

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                      @trevorflowers landlord free! Cage free!

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                      • trevorflowers@hachyderm.ioT trevorflowers@hachyderm.io

                        The best advice I have for new nerds: Refuse to pay rent.

                        Don't subscribe. Don't lease. Don't use their cloud. Don't slip down the freemium slope. Don't create accounts on their services.

                        Buy it once. Run it local. Avoid commercial software.

                        It'll be a huge pain and you'll be an outsider but it'll be endless, interesting, and hard fun that'll pay you back with a curious mind and an understanding of the fabric of our intellectual infrastructure that will make you light-years more capable, useful, and healthy than the "AI" zombies.

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                        @trevorflowers

                        I genuinely don't understand those who'll happily sell their soul despite being under no real, direct pressure to do so.

                        I have co-workers who do all the things you describe. Happily.

                        I ask them why. Half of the things they subscribe to are actively trying to harm them (and those close to them). Or have free replacements of better quality.

                        And - the root cause seems to be mere conformism. Not doing the "normal" thing is simply unthinkable.

                        Conformism sells 😞

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                        • trevorflowers@hachyderm.ioT trevorflowers@hachyderm.io

                          The best advice I have for new nerds: Refuse to pay rent.

                          Don't subscribe. Don't lease. Don't use their cloud. Don't slip down the freemium slope. Don't create accounts on their services.

                          Buy it once. Run it local. Avoid commercial software.

                          It'll be a huge pain and you'll be an outsider but it'll be endless, interesting, and hard fun that'll pay you back with a curious mind and an understanding of the fabric of our intellectual infrastructure that will make you light-years more capable, useful, and healthy than the "AI" zombies.

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                          @trevorflowers I second this. It will also be a good filter, selecting for those with a good mix of curiosity and love of problem solving, attention to detail and ability to focus, that is being selected against. Qualities which need nurturing and exercise, and which will only grow in value, and in usefulness against life's challenges.

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                          • dfx4509b@mas.toD dfx4509b@mas.to

                            @trevorflowers If you refuse to pay rent as far as your home goes, you're eventually going to be evicted, though, or worse, you could get taken to court by the landlord over it.

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                            @dfx4509b @trevorflowers I don't think OP was talking about housing

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                            • trevorflowers@hachyderm.ioT trevorflowers@hachyderm.io

                              The best advice I have for new nerds: Refuse to pay rent.

                              Don't subscribe. Don't lease. Don't use their cloud. Don't slip down the freemium slope. Don't create accounts on their services.

                              Buy it once. Run it local. Avoid commercial software.

                              It'll be a huge pain and you'll be an outsider but it'll be endless, interesting, and hard fun that'll pay you back with a curious mind and an understanding of the fabric of our intellectual infrastructure that will make you light-years more capable, useful, and healthy than the "AI" zombies.

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                              @trevorflowers

                              Forever confused why such an approach isn’t the default. Why would anyone pay rent for short-term convenience at the expense of long-term critical dependencies?

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                              • trevorflowers@hachyderm.ioT trevorflowers@hachyderm.io

                                The best advice I have for new nerds: Refuse to pay rent.

                                Don't subscribe. Don't lease. Don't use their cloud. Don't slip down the freemium slope. Don't create accounts on their services.

                                Buy it once. Run it local. Avoid commercial software.

                                It'll be a huge pain and you'll be an outsider but it'll be endless, interesting, and hard fun that'll pay you back with a curious mind and an understanding of the fabric of our intellectual infrastructure that will make you light-years more capable, useful, and healthy than the "AI" zombies.

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                                @trevorflowers Also, don't rent your tech.

                                Buy one that's a few generations old. Learn how to build, fix, or rent it yourself.

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                                • trevorflowers@hachyderm.ioT trevorflowers@hachyderm.io

                                  The best advice I have for new nerds: Refuse to pay rent.

                                  Don't subscribe. Don't lease. Don't use their cloud. Don't slip down the freemium slope. Don't create accounts on their services.

                                  Buy it once. Run it local. Avoid commercial software.

                                  It'll be a huge pain and you'll be an outsider but it'll be endless, interesting, and hard fun that'll pay you back with a curious mind and an understanding of the fabric of our intellectual infrastructure that will make you light-years more capable, useful, and healthy than the "AI" zombies.

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                                  @trevorflowers Thanks for the supportive message. As someone on the margins of nerd culture, the challenge is huge and daunting. Thankfully there are those like you who call us in with resources and encouragement. So far, I'm in the process of switching to LibreOffice on my desktop and have an idea of a tiny Linux distro that will fit on my old Asus notebook (my stars, I love that little machine). Once I figure that out, I hope to be able to convert my desktop machine too. Take heart, nerds everywhere, we're trying.

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                                  • dfx4509b@mas.toD dfx4509b@mas.to

                                    @trevorflowers If you refuse to pay rent as far as your home goes, you're eventually going to be evicted, though, or worse, you could get taken to court by the landlord over it.

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                                    @dfx4509b @trevorflowers
                                    If you read more than the headline, you would know that the point was to buy, not rent. If you buy a house, there is no landlord.

                                    That being said, if you work a job where you don't expect to stay for decades, and jobs can be far between and commuting is not how you wish to spend a large chunk of your life, moving from one apartment to another is way easier than selling a house and buying one in a different city.

                                    And that's without even getting into the price of buying your home.

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                                    • nu@ko.she-a.euN nu@ko.she-a.eu

                                      @trevorflowers@hachyderm.io 100% except if you dont have a good internet connection, then a vps is warranted, I've spent too many hours fighting my isp

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                                      @nu @trevorflowers The thing with renting a VPS or a bare-metal machine in a data centre somewhere is that it's not difficult to move it to a different hosting provider. Or even to move it to a different country.
                                      The harm isn't so much the fact that you're paying monthly. The danger of SaaS is that your data is entirely beholden to the SaaS operator; if you can export it, it's usually in a form you can't immediately continue using elsewhere. And there is no transparency in how they process it.

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                                      • miss_rodent@girlcock.clubM miss_rodent@girlcock.club

                                        @trevorflowers This might be harder to do now, but, considering I've stuck to this approach since the mid-2000's and continue to - it is still -possible-, at least. In spite of the best efforts of the tech industry & their pet governments.
                                        Creates extra headaches (I spent multiple days to get lineageOS running on a phone they do not support, but I got for free and needed to degoogle, for example), but, those et easier to navigate the more of them you have to navigate.

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                                        @miss_rodent @trevorflowers

                                        Same here! Probably longer 🫣

                                        I shared this photo the other day, it's not everything, far from it, eg. still have all my vinyl from the 80s and a record deck, but it is the result of ditching the iPhone hardware subscription almost 12 months now!

                                        I already had most of this stuff, the Punkt was a gift, I recently repaired the iRiver, and the X4 is the only new (and very awesome) purchase.

                                        The relief is astonishing! I am never going back to smart phones - nope!

                                        ❤️

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                                        • kel@mastodon.onlineK kel@mastodon.online

                                          @miss_rodent @trevorflowers

                                          Same here! Probably longer 🫣

                                          I shared this photo the other day, it's not everything, far from it, eg. still have all my vinyl from the 80s and a record deck, but it is the result of ditching the iPhone hardware subscription almost 12 months now!

                                          I already had most of this stuff, the Punkt was a gift, I recently repaired the iRiver, and the X4 is the only new (and very awesome) purchase.

                                          The relief is astonishing! I am never going back to smart phones - nope!

                                          ❤️

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                                          @kel I still use a smartphone, but ripped out the original OS to put an open degoogled OS on it, so, none of the usual spyware and uninstallable oem apps, none of google's nonsense, etc.

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