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  • inthehands@hachyderm.ioI inthehands@hachyderm.io

    RE: https://thepit.social/@peter/116376219055579156

    I know a lot of people, in software and otherwise, who are feeling things along these lines.

    Hold on, whatever tools you’re using, just hold on to your sense of purpose and meaning. There are a lot of forces at work in this world that want to rob you of that. Your feeling of losing that is not recognition of some new fact of our reality; it is you experiencing a psychological weapon.

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    @inthehands

    post dot-bomb, there were very few gigs and much of what there was were companies that hadn't learned their lesson yet. those gigs that did seem to come paid well because it was hazard pay.

    i wound up getting out of tech completely for about 4 years. i describe it as my mid-life crisis, career version of the little red sports car.

    i taught mandolin/guitar and got certified and taught pilates reformer. i discovered that i really liked teaching and was pretty decent at it. i did wind up getting back into tech but with teaching and speaking as a part of it for the first time.

    sometimes taking a break and giving some really searching into what makes you excited winds up getting you a more satisfying career.

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    • inthehands@hachyderm.ioI inthehands@hachyderm.io

      Tech jobs are highly cyclical and lots of the gen AI stuff is ridiculously overhyped, and I’m hopeful that the wheel will keep turning and the professional prospects of software developers will improve again…assuming human civilization survives, that is.

      But what I said above applies regardless. We should all be doing this meaning-making work all the time, even in the best job markets. In fact, that work is a part of •making• human civilization survive.

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      @inthehands what a beautiful thread. Thank you for sharing, and I hope you inspire many folks on here

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      • stefan@stefanbohacek.onlineS stefan@stefanbohacek.online

        @peter Echoing what @inthehands is saying.

        LLMs are at best "divisive", but if you look at all the studies coming out, it's closer to "universally hated".

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        Generative AI is anti-worker, anti-environment, and doesn't even work all that well.

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        There will be time when we'll need to rebuild everything. Let's get ready!

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        @stefan @peter @inthehands

        Part of the malaise striking the tech industry is the awareness that AI is a ubiquitous state surveillance platform.

        It's like working for the East German Stasi in its waning days. The narcs & informers freaked out because their grift is ending.

        The fossil fuel industry funds AI, not just for any of its stated reasons, but also for ending any nation ditching their toxic products.

        Trump's oligarchs want to identify dissenters & opponents like ...

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        • inthehands@hachyderm.ioI inthehands@hachyderm.io

          Tech jobs are highly cyclical and lots of the gen AI stuff is ridiculously overhyped, and I’m hopeful that the wheel will keep turning and the professional prospects of software developers will improve again…assuming human civilization survives, that is.

          But what I said above applies regardless. We should all be doing this meaning-making work all the time, even in the best job markets. In fact, that work is a part of •making• human civilization survive.

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          @inthehands The coding work I do on my own feels much more meaningful (even if it takes way too long to get done) than my paid work was ever allowed to be, even when I had opportunity to bend it in meaningful directions.

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          • npars01@mstdn.socialN npars01@mstdn.social

            @stefan @peter @inthehands

            Part of the malaise striking the tech industry is the awareness that AI is a ubiquitous state surveillance platform.

            It's like working for the East German Stasi in its waning days. The narcs & informers freaked out because their grift is ending.

            The fossil fuel industry funds AI, not just for any of its stated reasons, but also for ending any nation ditching their toxic products.

            Trump's oligarchs want to identify dissenters & opponents like ...

            1/

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            2/

            .... their phantom "antifa" but also to oppose non-criminal conduct, unrelated to national security.

            Trends like people taking free public transit & ditching their gas guzzlers. WFH.

            Things like identifying every person posting against the fossil fuel industry's shills, Trump, Orban, Putin, and #PrinceBonesaw using age verification scams.

            Hackers stole 10 petabytes of data from a Chinese supercomputer lab recently.

            The only reason to collect that much data is economic cyberwarfare.

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              .... their phantom "antifa" but also to oppose non-criminal conduct, unrelated to national security.

              Trends like people taking free public transit & ditching their gas guzzlers. WFH.

              Things like identifying every person posting against the fossil fuel industry's shills, Trump, Orban, Putin, and #PrinceBonesaw using age verification scams.

              Hackers stole 10 petabytes of data from a Chinese supercomputer lab recently.

              The only reason to collect that much data is economic cyberwarfare.

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              3/

              Taking the joy out of life & forcing people into wasting their precious time on this earth working on making billionaires into trillionaires.

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              The tech industry is co-opted by the wealthy for a bleak dystopian future that serves no one but a few hundred sociopaths.

              It leaves a sour taste to realize your efforts, taxes, & dreams are enriching the Epstein Class.

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              • inthehands@hachyderm.ioI inthehands@hachyderm.io

                RE: https://thepit.social/@peter/116376219055579156

                I know a lot of people, in software and otherwise, who are feeling things along these lines.

                Hold on, whatever tools you’re using, just hold on to your sense of purpose and meaning. There are a lot of forces at work in this world that want to rob you of that. Your feeling of losing that is not recognition of some new fact of our reality; it is you experiencing a psychological weapon.

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                @inthehands @su_g @peter Welcome to #GenAI #potemkinvillage !

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                • inthehands@hachyderm.ioI inthehands@hachyderm.io

                  Tips I can give you from my experience as a musicial weirdo if you’re looking to redevelop a sense of intrinsic purpose and meaning:

                  Beware of leaning on extrinsic validation (winning a contest, getting a grant, getting a job) for your psychological well-being. Those things may be important for practical purposes, but psychologically they are all empty calories.

                  Three •good• sources of purpose and meaning in your work that can sustain you:

                  - your own sense of satisfaction in your work
                  - sharing work via meaningful, sustained human connections
                  - the sheer joy of making and doing

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                  @inthehands

                  i think the original Stoics would approve this advice

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                  • inthehands@hachyderm.ioI inthehands@hachyderm.io

                    Tips I can give you from my experience as a musicial weirdo if you’re looking to redevelop a sense of intrinsic purpose and meaning:

                    Beware of leaning on extrinsic validation (winning a contest, getting a grant, getting a job) for your psychological well-being. Those things may be important for practical purposes, but psychologically they are all empty calories.

                    Three •good• sources of purpose and meaning in your work that can sustain you:

                    - your own sense of satisfaction in your work
                    - sharing work via meaningful, sustained human connections
                    - the sheer joy of making and doing

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                    @inthehands Process not product, yes, but how do you cultivate that sense of "sheer joy of making in doing"?

                    A "life hack" I've been trying is to make things _completely in secret_. Like you promise at the beginning that you aren't going to tell ANYONE about it.

                    Not only does this help you find the excitement of failing, which is the only way to play or learn, but it actually _trains_ your brain to realize, "Hey, no one saw this, no one told me it was good, and I still had a lot of fun and fulfillment making it"

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                    • inthehands@hachyderm.ioI inthehands@hachyderm.io

                      Tech jobs are highly cyclical and lots of the gen AI stuff is ridiculously overhyped, and I’m hopeful that the wheel will keep turning and the professional prospects of software developers will improve again…assuming human civilization survives, that is.

                      But what I said above applies regardless. We should all be doing this meaning-making work all the time, even in the best job markets. In fact, that work is a part of •making• human civilization survive.

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                      @inthehands Currently out of work, and I've been struggling with this. On the one hand, I have a strong conviction that what I do matters, and will continue to matter, and is (among other things) a form of art. On the other hand, it's incredibly jarring for the economy to do such a rapid 180 on whether I have anything useful to offer, and it leaves me feeling like a leech on my partner's salary, wondering how long it's going to be before I can bring money to the household again. I think it's going to be a capital P Process to figure out how to carve out a niche in this broke new world.

                      Thanks for this thread, btw. It helps.

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                      • inthehands@hachyderm.ioI inthehands@hachyderm.io

                        Tips I can give you from my experience as a musicial weirdo if you’re looking to redevelop a sense of intrinsic purpose and meaning:

                        Beware of leaning on extrinsic validation (winning a contest, getting a grant, getting a job) for your psychological well-being. Those things may be important for practical purposes, but psychologically they are all empty calories.

                        Three •good• sources of purpose and meaning in your work that can sustain you:

                        - your own sense of satisfaction in your work
                        - sharing work via meaningful, sustained human connections
                        - the sheer joy of making and doing

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                        @inthehands this is great, thank you for sharing

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                        • inthehands@hachyderm.ioI inthehands@hachyderm.io

                          RE: https://thepit.social/@peter/116376219055579156

                          I know a lot of people, in software and otherwise, who are feeling things along these lines.

                          Hold on, whatever tools you’re using, just hold on to your sense of purpose and meaning. There are a lot of forces at work in this world that want to rob you of that. Your feeling of losing that is not recognition of some new fact of our reality; it is you experiencing a psychological weapon.

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                          @inthehands So many people respond to this with "if I'm forced to use it I'm throwing my laptop into the sea." It's not the laptop's fault. It's not even the specific tech's fault. It's those who are forcing it on us no matter the cost because they either are the ones making profits on it or are the ones suckered by those making the profits.

                          Don't throw the laptops in the sea, throw the CEOs in the sea.

                          As a side note, LLMs absolutely utterly suck at being treated as a general assistant, but you know something they'd be pretty good at aping pretty well? Being a CEO. Too well. They'd almost perfectly match the CEO profile. To all you boards of directors out there, consider this: you don't have to pay a LLM.

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                          • inthehands@hachyderm.ioI inthehands@hachyderm.io

                            RE: https://thepit.social/@peter/116376219055579156

                            I know a lot of people, in software and otherwise, who are feeling things along these lines.

                            Hold on, whatever tools you’re using, just hold on to your sense of purpose and meaning. There are a lot of forces at work in this world that want to rob you of that. Your feeling of losing that is not recognition of some new fact of our reality; it is you experiencing a psychological weapon.

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                            @inthehands This is why I live stream my coding, which I do without the use of LLMs. I love the thinking/design process AND the writing of the code. And while it might *seem* slow, so what? The journey is (mostly!) enjoyable and provides meaning and community for me.

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                              @inthehands This is why I live stream my coding, which I do without the use of LLMs. I love the thinking/design process AND the writing of the code. And while it might *seem* slow, so what? The journey is (mostly!) enjoyable and provides meaning and community for me.

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                              @jitterted @inthehands
                              Similarly, this is why I "live blog" my coding, nearly every day. I love the craft itself.

                              "AI" should do the things we don't like to do, like take out the trash and clean the bathroom. Let people do the things they like to do.

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                              • inthehands@hachyderm.ioI inthehands@hachyderm.io

                                RE: https://thepit.social/@peter/116376219055579156

                                I know a lot of people, in software and otherwise, who are feeling things along these lines.

                                Hold on, whatever tools you’re using, just hold on to your sense of purpose and meaning. There are a lot of forces at work in this world that want to rob you of that. Your feeling of losing that is not recognition of some new fact of our reality; it is you experiencing a psychological weapon.

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                                @inthehands This whole thread is a very classy response 👌🏻

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                                  @mathew @audiodude @inthehands

                                  What if neither works for you? And only extrinsic rewards works?

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                                  • karawynn@wandering.shopK karawynn@wandering.shop

                                    @inthehands

                                    i think the original Stoics would approve this advice

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                                    @karawynn @inthehands

                                    Yeah its bootstraps ideology… 😥I recognize it every time I see it.

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                                    • inthehands@hachyderm.ioI inthehands@hachyderm.io

                                      A particularly dissonance in my musical life is the aggressive non-interest of the world in my music in competitive circles (commerce, grants, whatever) and the warm, passionate enthusiasm it receives when I share it with people in person.

                                      What’s worked for me: creating contexts of joy and mutual support where I can share with people — not just share generically in general, but sharing with specific actual people where there is a human relationship underlying the sharing — and then sharing.

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                                      @inthehands Insightful and helpful to read this. Such a boost. Thanks!

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                                      • inthehands@hachyderm.ioI inthehands@hachyderm.io

                                        RE: https://thepit.social/@peter/116376219055579156

                                        I know a lot of people, in software and otherwise, who are feeling things along these lines.

                                        Hold on, whatever tools you’re using, just hold on to your sense of purpose and meaning. There are a lot of forces at work in this world that want to rob you of that. Your feeling of losing that is not recognition of some new fact of our reality; it is you experiencing a psychological weapon.

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                                        @inthehands my hope is that all the people who didn't let their cognitive skills atrophy by using AI to write their code for them will be the valuable hires after everyone wakes up to the emperor's lack of clothing.

                                        But damn is it bleak right now.

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                                        • inthehands@hachyderm.ioI inthehands@hachyderm.io

                                          Tech jobs are highly cyclical and lots of the gen AI stuff is ridiculously overhyped, and I’m hopeful that the wheel will keep turning and the professional prospects of software developers will improve again…assuming human civilization survives, that is.

                                          But what I said above applies regardless. We should all be doing this meaning-making work all the time, even in the best job markets. In fact, that work is a part of •making• human civilization survive.

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                                          I suppose since I talked about my life as a musical weirdo, I should link to it! I don’t have a Soundcloud; I have a completely bespoke personal web site I made from the ground up because of everything upthread.

                                          Something dreamy and old-school:
                                          https://innig.net/music/inthehands/brahms-ballade-10-4

                                          Something dreamy and new-school:
                                          https://innig.net/music/scores/words/

                                          Something with a long dramatic arc:
                                          https://innig.net/music/albums/brokenmirror/

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