AI Controls (formerly 'kill switch') are landing in today's Firefox Nightly, and will land with Firefox 148 later this month.
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@firefoxwebdevs @giacomo
If it presents the option and doesn't say what it's doing that's not informed consent.The "first launch" popups that y'all normally do with a descriptive splash screen and a big button that can be skipped to enable the features in the first place is a *perfect* place to present it where people who do want it will see it
@firefoxwebdevs @giacomo I mean, how good do *you* really believe it is if you think people need to be tricked into trying it?
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@wojtek
Because optIn is better than optOut.@wariat @fabio @firefoxwebdevs
Yes! I know! Firefox, with each update should present a new-tab-page forcing users selecting all new additions. You know - some may not want new JS api! Or CSS adding animations! /s
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@ddelemeny @jaffathecake @froztbyte Why do these creeps routinely weaponize users with accessibility needs to make their case when those users on balance are also *against* this shit?
This is so damn intellectually dishonest. Every time I see it in some AI Bro's socail media thread, youtube comments, etc people who use accessibility tools state definitely to not use them to make their case.
And yet you assholes won't stop. And you get furious when someone supposedly puts words in your mouth!
@reflex @ddelemeny @jaffathecake @froztbyte As a totally blind person I actually find these tools to be useful sometimes. I really don't like having to constantly rely on cited people when I run into accessibility barriers, and I know full well that these models aren't perfect and probably never will be, but it's far better than what we had even a few years ago. I think as long as the models are local and not cloud hosted, I really don't see an issue with this, and the features should be optional and not on by default.
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@reflex @ddelemeny @jaffathecake @froztbyte As a totally blind person I actually find these tools to be useful sometimes. I really don't like having to constantly rely on cited people when I run into accessibility barriers, and I know full well that these models aren't perfect and probably never will be, but it's far better than what we had even a few years ago. I think as long as the models are local and not cloud hosted, I really don't see an issue with this, and the features should be optional and not on by default.
@ZBennoui @reflex @ddelemeny @jaffathecake that's good to read, thanks for posting!
as I said in one of my elsethread posts, I get the thesis of the idea (and can obviously acknowledge it's a step ahead in some dimensions). but I am curious and wish to ask: how do you handle the accuracy problem?
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@reflex @ddelemeny @jaffathecake @froztbyte As a totally blind person I actually find these tools to be useful sometimes. I really don't like having to constantly rely on cited people when I run into accessibility barriers, and I know full well that these models aren't perfect and probably never will be, but it's far better than what we had even a few years ago. I think as long as the models are local and not cloud hosted, I really don't see an issue with this, and the features should be optional and not on by default.
@ZBennoui @ddelemeny @jaffathecake @froztbyte I'm glad it works for you, hopefully they consider your point about opt in vs opt out.
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@wojtek Interesting that you have a Vivaldi.net account, a browser that famously doesn’t include any AI features. Your question is a bit strange in this context, or maybe it’s just a bad attempt at being a contrarian.
@fabio oh! what a great detective work! maybe you should dig some more to find more discrepancies? /s
I have account on vivaldi.net because I was an avid fan Opera (before they switched to chrome and then sell off to china) and when original crew started Vivaldi I got excited but it turned out it's not that great but I still got the account. I didn't use fedi all that much (tbh I started using it more only a couple of months back) but I already had an account on vivaldi so I stuck with that because "it just works".
Now, how on earth one could draw conclussion on personal perspective based only on an account domain is beyond me xDDDDD
I guess this can come only from "brave fighters" that see world black and white so in my case I should eradicate Vivaldi and this account from my computer because I wasn't completely "anti-AI"? xDDD -
@ZBennoui @reflex @ddelemeny @jaffathecake that's good to read, thanks for posting!
as I said in one of my elsethread posts, I get the thesis of the idea (and can obviously acknowledge it's a step ahead in some dimensions). but I am curious and wish to ask: how do you handle the accuracy problem?
@froztbyte @reflex @ddelemeny @jaffathecake I handle it with common sense really. I don't trust the output 100 percent for anything critical, but many of the newer models (like Google's Gemini3) have gotten so good that it's really not as much of an issue as it used to be. Also understanding how these LLMs are trained and what specific situations they were designed to be used in helps a lot. It will probably never be perfect, but frankly no technology is.
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@fabio @wojtek it does include translation, which people consider to be AI https://mastodon.social/@firefoxwebdevs/115849251057488746. It even sends the text off-device to be translated, whereas Firefox does it on-device for privacy.
@jaffathecake @fabio true that… and "2,977 people" voted…
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@barubary @jaffathecake @duke_of_germany @firefoxwebdevs @davidgerard
Should the gaslighting be opt-out?
lol'd at this
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AI Controls (formerly 'kill switch') are landing in today's Firefox Nightly, and will land with Firefox 148 later this month.
For the full details, see the Firefox blog https://blog.mozilla.org/en/firefox/ai-controls/
@firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social Thanks for implementing! I'm just wondering why the main switch uses a switch widget and the others use a dropdown, is there more functionality planned?
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Stop portraying Mastodon users as the "anti-AI crazies".
Instead, ask yourself: "What is the relation between Mastodon users & Firefox?"
The answer:
An overwhelming number of Mastodon users used to be your champions.
They are tech people who used to recommend Firefox to the normies in their life. A crowd of mini-influencers, recommending your product.
And I don't understand why you go out of your way to alienate exactly these people.
@duke_of_germany @jonny @jaffathecake @firefoxwebdevs @davidgerard
"
We used to be your champions, your ambassadors. We would've gladly died up on that hill. But now that you've had your fill in publicity and fame. We all turn in shame.You in your grandeur thought that it was us who were the keys to power. And not the keys to stay in the eyes of our.
You've become like the rest of them. No care for what affected them.But don't worry we'll rid the pest off them. Just like we've done on your behalf. Let this message be your epitaph.
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@froztbyte @reflex @ddelemeny @jaffathecake I handle it with common sense really. I don't trust the output 100 percent for anything critical, but many of the newer models (like Google's Gemini3) have gotten so good that it's really not as much of an issue as it used to be. Also understanding how these LLMs are trained and what specific situations they were designed to be used in helps a lot. It will probably never be perfect, but frankly no technology is.
@ZBennoui @froztbyte @reflex @ddelemeny thanks for weighing in! That's very similar to my use of translation, fwiw
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@fabio oh! what a great detective work! maybe you should dig some more to find more discrepancies? /s
I have account on vivaldi.net because I was an avid fan Opera (before they switched to chrome and then sell off to china) and when original crew started Vivaldi I got excited but it turned out it's not that great but I still got the account. I didn't use fedi all that much (tbh I started using it more only a couple of months back) but I already had an account on vivaldi so I stuck with that because "it just works".
Now, how on earth one could draw conclussion on personal perspective based only on an account domain is beyond me xDDDDD
I guess this can come only from "brave fighters" that see world black and white so in my case I should eradicate Vivaldi and this account from my computer because I wasn't completely "anti-AI"? xDDD@wojtek bad attempt of being a contrarian it is.
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@ZBennoui @froztbyte @reflex @ddelemeny thanks for weighing in! That's very similar to my use of translation, fwiw
@jaffathecake @ZBennoui @reflex @ddelemeny that reply is another example of Doing It Again, fwiw.
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@ZBennoui @froztbyte @reflex @ddelemeny thanks for weighing in! That's very similar to my use of translation, fwiw
@jaffathecake @ZBennoui @froztbyte @reflex @ddelemeny will there be an option in the translation tool to substitute it with a 3rd party extension?
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@jaffathecake @ZBennoui @froztbyte @reflex @ddelemeny will there be an option in the translation tool to substitute it with a 3rd party extension?
@fasterandworse @ZBennoui @froztbyte @reflex @ddelemeny the option isn't within the translate tool, but translation can indeed be provided by add-ons, e.g. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/addon/simple-translate/
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@fasterandworse @ZBennoui @froztbyte @reflex @ddelemeny the option isn't within the translate tool, but translation can indeed be provided by add-ons, e.g. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/addon/simple-translate/
@jaffathecake @ZBennoui @froztbyte @reflex @ddelemeny but will they be promoted as alternative options directly in the context of the built-in translation tool?
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@reflex @ddelemeny @jaffathecake @froztbyte they want to keep framing this as a deliberation over the merits of individual features instead of a, pretty straight forward, push for a separation of concerns between a web browser and extensions
@reflex @ddelemeny @jaffathecake @froztbyte @fasterandworse not to mention the increased risk of vulnerabilities. I would say that I have not updated my Firefox to avoid these updates and I do find the Mastodon is anti-AI is, being generous, the wrong interpretation of the poll.
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@davidgerard @jaffathecake @duke_of_germany @firefoxwebdevs Oh, I see: "Developer relations lead" at Mozilla (and previously "developer advocate" at Google). No wonder he's putting "developer of sorts" in all his profiles/blurbs/blogs.
@barubary @davidgerard @jaffathecake @duke_of_germany @firefoxwebdevs That’s silly, all the sorts are in textbooks already, we don’t need more
(Sorry)
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@reflex @ddelemeny @jaffathecake @froztbyte @fasterandworse not to mention the increased risk of vulnerabilities. I would say that I have not updated my Firefox to avoid these updates and I do find the Mastodon is anti-AI is, being generous, the wrong interpretation of the poll.
@reflex @ddelemeny @jaffathecake @froztbyte @fasterandworse after my Firefox stops working, I'll switch to something else. Most probably librewolf
