a lot of "AI deleted their prod data and backups" and not enough "they had their backups in the same volume as their prod data"
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@oscarjiminy for sure, the larger context matters. but i feel we love these juicy stories of “ai did this unintended thing” when someone could have achieved the same result with a badly placed rm -rf. there’s real complaints about ai but “it did this thing all on its own” is not my favorite
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it's pretty convenient to blame AI for everything from deleted my wife's files to deleted the prod database to targeted a school full of children. I'm sorry but there's humans behind all of those things. HUMANS.
Very good point. Humans making the decision to dive headlong into AI are to blame for whatever comes next for there organization. There have always been idiots who do dumb stuff. This is just the latest way to fuck up.
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@lzg And not a single "backups were airgapped and only pulled from prod, impossible to push."
@phil_stevens @lzg backups were run by a different AI provider, with more "please please PLEASE don't lose all my shit" in its prompt.
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a lot of "AI deleted their prod data and backups" and not enough "they had their backups in the same volume as their prod data"
@lzg If had a $ for every time I heard "I was just about to make a backup"...
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a lot of "AI deleted their prod data and backups" and not enough "they had their backups in the same volume as their prod data"
That's fair. I don't think valid criticism of generative models comes from misattributing blame. I see these categories of criticism as important and valid:
Motivation - the firms behind models are looking to replace ppl and concentrate power for themselves
Effectiveness - the models aren't that good for replacing people
Ethics - the models are being pushed out without safeguards or accountability
Hypocrisy - the legal framework that sustains these corporations cares about IP; they don't -
a lot of "AI deleted their prod data and backups" and not enough "they had their backups in the same volume as their prod data"
@lzg I "let my dog into the room where all of my homework lay on a coffee table."
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a lot of "AI deleted their prod data and backups" and not enough "they had their backups in the same volume as their prod data"
@lzg stupid prompt from unprepared people. Back in time, newbies with root access to prod have done the same over and over.
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@lzg And not a single "backups were airgapped and only pulled from prod, impossible to push."
@phil_stevens @lzg We need to remember that unless they routinely tested their back ups by restoring them to a server that mirrored their production system accurately then there is no way that they could say that the had any back ups in the first place.
As the AI agent was allowed to delete everything including the alleged back ups we now have no way of checking if the back ups could have been used to restore their system.
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@phil_stevens @lzg We need to remember that unless they routinely tested their back ups by restoring them to a server that mirrored their production system accurately then there is no way that they could say that the had any back ups in the first place.
As the AI agent was allowed to delete everything including the alleged back ups we now have no way of checking if the back ups could have been used to restore their system.
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it's pretty convenient to blame AI for everything from deleted my wife's files to deleted the prod database to targeted a school full of children. I'm sorry but there's humans behind all of those things. HUMANS.
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a lot of "AI deleted their prod data and backups" and not enough "they had their backups in the same volume as their prod data"
AI is sounding more and more like a big dog that eats homework.
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Imagine a capitalist saying, you know the answer to this increase in productivity is to reduce headcount instead of increasing output.@jaykass @lzg
It costs a lot to measure output, so you can just pretend you know what the output is and what it looks likeThe added bonus is that you can simply say "aah yes, they are 20% more productive and that's worth it" even when the "industry" recommends consuming half your salary worth of AI tokens and by any actual "legacy" metric you can see that people are indeed not doing more work when they spend half their day chatting to the Automatic Dumbass
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AI is not taking anyone's job, it's some guy making that decision
@lzg I would love to see the prompt someone entered that caused AI to delete the backups. And I can imagine AI replying ‘Okay, you asked for it’.
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AI is not taking anyone's job, it's some guy making that decision
. @lzg I'm ok with drone striking guys as well. Take away the "suck" knob and see what other tools are in the box.
I was going to use AI to do the needful, but this is somehow better:
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a lot of "AI deleted their prod data and backups" and not enough "they had their backups in the same volume as their prod data"
"the backups were on the same volume so when they were wiped the backups were too"
and what did we learn about backup data storage? No no, I mean back in school, what was the first thing you learned about backup data storage
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AI is not taking anyone's job, it's some guy making that decision
@lzg also true where AI is pushing out freelancing artists, I guess. They aren't employed anywhere in the first place, but in this case I readily blame countless guys + businessed, who rather prompt crappy AI music, paintings etc. than hiring artists.
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a lot of "AI deleted their prod data and backups" and not enough "they had their backups in the same volume as their prod data"
I feel this is one of those everybody is wrong kind of situations that has the air of OVH putting their customer backups on the same site, if not the same room, that was only found out by the customers when their data centre went up in flames
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a lot of "AI deleted their prod data and backups" and not enough "they had their backups in the same volume as their prod data"
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a lot of "AI deleted their prod data and backups" and not enough "they had their backups in the same volume as their prod data"
@lzg We're talking about people who think a chatbot is sentient, the shoddy backup strategy was the least of their concerns -
a lot of "AI deleted their prod data and backups" and not enough "they had their backups in the same volume as their prod data"
@lzg I suppose that you meant "they had their backups in the same cloud account, and the credentials they were using had delete permission on said backups, and they didn't know about or didn't set up a safety net with lifecycle rules or whatever", which amounts to the same but is alas a mistake that's much easier to make (I'd bet that a huge majority of folks out there, when provisioning infra, use credentials that also have permission to destroy backups!)
