For the past year or so, I’ve been using and enjoying the search engine Kagi.
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@glightly@mastodon.social @CptSuperlative I wish I had a nice way to do that to hand to you on a platter, or to invite you into! I am hopeful that the Internet is tilting back a little bit more toward being community-driven like this, so here’s hoping….
@inthehands @glightly@mastodon.social @CptSuperlative it was just a few days ago that I posted a desire for a directory to the non-shitty web. I was taking an online dream vacation. Search is bad. Travel sites are bad. Everything is bad.
Everything is a scam now, as others have put it.
I feel so good on the fediverse. It causes such contrast with the standard web. Here, here, I say, to real people building a real directory. For now at least we have this place.
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@ChildlessBambino@mastodon.green Hadn’t heard of it before. Thanks!
@inthehands @ChildlessBambino@mastodon.green the substack integration makes me a little leery of mojeek to be honest.
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@RMiddleton @inthehands @glightly@mastodon.social @CptSuperlative Damn, everything IS bad. I got a couple of gift cards, so I'm comparing prices on Target and Fred Meyer. I had to change browsers, devices, internet connection, and VPN several times just to find every product on each page. I was only looking for 3 different items.
I switched to searching a local store's site, and the damn thing just worked. They cost more, but the time I could have saved if I did that first would have been worth it.
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@inthehands I really appreciate this thread. Vlad's response was something I read, felt strange about, but couldn't articulate why. This is pretty spot-on.
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@Itty53@mstdn.social @morix @inthehands
You just fundamentally know that the goose is not going to have ANY of your bullshit. NONE.
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@lunareclipse @inthehands @ravindra Correct. The shareholders decide what to maximize, if anything. The legal requirement is that the Board of Directors and Officers of the company have a fiduciary duty to the shareholders.
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@CptSuperlative Ah, I just use the super-sophisticated technique of closing tabs all the time and then searching my history in desperation.
@inthehands same
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@glightly@mastodon.social @CptSuperlative I wish I had a nice way to do that to hand to you on a platter, or to invite you into! I am hopeful that the Internet is tilting back a little bit more toward being community-driven like this, so here’s hoping….
@inthehands @glightly@mastodon.social @CptSuperlative one thing I've been thinking about—a tangent to this tangent—is an updated take on the old webrings. For blogs and other websites, using some kind of combination of tags, pingbacks, and algorithms to generate recommendations and related links. One of the things I miss the most about the old timey web is the feeling of "surfing"—not just getting a stream of content from a central feed, but chains of association. I still get it from Wikipedia, and that's it
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@inthehands @glightly@mastodon.social @CptSuperlative one thing I've been thinking about—a tangent to this tangent—is an updated take on the old webrings. For blogs and other websites, using some kind of combination of tags, pingbacks, and algorithms to generate recommendations and related links. One of the things I miss the most about the old timey web is the feeling of "surfing"—not just getting a stream of content from a central feed, but chains of association. I still get it from Wikipedia, and that's it
@inthehands @glightly@mastodon.social @CptSuperlative so you'd sign up to some sort of community maintained webring server, implement an API, and get dynamic lists of links to put on your pages to pages from other sites in the "ring"
Plus there'd be a directory
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@glightly@mastodon.social @inthehands @CptSuperlative Google dit kill that project. Name is escaping m'y memory search. I participantes, but fighting spam there was hard, as well as maintaining links
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@inthehands @glightly@mastodon.social @CptSuperlative so you'd sign up to some sort of community maintained webring server, implement an API, and get dynamic lists of links to put on your pages to pages from other sites in the "ring"
Plus there'd be a directory
@alter_kaker @glightly@mastodon.social @CptSuperlative I’d even be happy with this as a non-API-driven, non-dynamic, manually authored thing that people just toss on the personal blogs they’re now resurrecting.
Web comics folks often still do this. Note for example QC’s “other good comics” links smack dab in the right margin, taking up space on every page: https://www.questionablecontent.net
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@glightly@mastodon.social Sorry for the jargon in your mentions! The simple version is just “people should mutually link to each others’ personal web sites more, that would be cool.”
And I’ll be sure to un-CC you from any further technical replies.
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@CptSuperlative @noodlejetski @inthehands Since it's 100% dependant on a popular google product, it can hardly be considered an alternative to it. Vivaldi is repackaged chromium, just like most other browsers. There are very good add ons for firefox for tab management btw.. I use "tab session manager".
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@JessTheUnstill @inthehands
Additionally most of the tech exists because of "politics"
Thinking e.g. of the military funding of the ARPANETOne could say, without politics there is no innovation
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@glightly@mastodon.social I'm sorry to ping again, but do note that you can disable notifications for just one conversation in the context menu of any incoming notification. I use it all the time and its super handy for situations lime these
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Search is a wasteland right now. Alas. And there are no good choices.
But look, if I’m going to •pay• a company money for search, it needs to be a company run by ethically mature people. If and when Kagi is run by such people, maybe I’ll give that paid plan another go. For now, well, maybe these childish people will blunder their way to maturity and maybe they’ll just blunder, but either way, they won’t be doing it on my dime.
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Maaaaan, what a disappointing thread to stumble across not an hour after I was just thinking, "Geeze I've been on Kagi for half a year and I don't miss google a bit! Totally worth the price!"
I'm conflicted; search being good is really important for me both personally and professionally, but...yeah that's a disappointing response. Heck, they could've probably come up with a technical solution like an opt-out or something that would've at least...mitigated, but they just doubled down.
I wish somebody would see this as a chance to swoop in and duplicate Kagi's business model / basic concept but with a bit of "don't be evil" principle mixed in. At least maybe they'd be good for 5-10 years before they turned to the dark side.
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@ChildlessBambino@mastodon.green After leaving Kagi a couple days ago, I'm doing the same as you are. So far, that works for me.
I'm also glad to see Mojeek here on Mastodon: @Mojeek
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@jollyorc Another ex-Kagi user here. I'm trying out Mojeek and also using DuckDuckGo at times. Not as nice an answer as Kagi was, but no affiliation with Brave.
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@ChildlessBambino@mastodon.green After leaving Kagi a couple days ago, I'm doing the same as you are. So far, that works for me.
I'm also glad to see Mojeek here on Mastodon: @Mojeek
@jeridansky @ChildlessBambino@mastodon.green best place to be, hands down.
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@wonkothesane @mattly @inthehands yeah, kinda sad how that "shoving" comment is still there, but Vlad has been removing any new comments and just directs people to DM him instead. saw a thread where two people were criticizing the company's response disappear before my eyes last night.
